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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein here with gene and

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Chris were back on the old stead with

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the para cast we have really enjoyable

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session last week with James Fox and

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facey to our may and I'm really looking

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forward to their new film 7:01 sounds

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really fascinating I think the thing

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that we're all going to be interested in

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is how they do the recreations yeah it

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should be interesting because they're

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this is where you have to really use

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your judgment as a producer in director

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and screenwriter to manage the

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recreations in a way that respects the

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facts of the case but also respects the

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concerns of producing an informative and

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entertaining movie and movies got to be

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entertaining no matter what it's not

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hopefully going to be like some of the

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things we've seen because we've seen how

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James Fox when he was exposed to the

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chasing UFOs show just freaked out this

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guy has a respect for facts and I have

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to trust his gonna do the right thing

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and the same is true for Tracy Torme who

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has a long storied career in

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particularly the TV business so we're

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gonna be looking forward to that I'm

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also going after some new and different

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guests that you could I guess call

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entertainers tomorrow Monday a new album

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is being released by one of the most

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influential in seminole bands of the

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80's they on many people's lists they

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were the the best band of the eighties

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the Pixies oh yes yeah I had a unique

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pleasure of having them warm up for me

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when I was in a band in Boston back in

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87-88 and I actually met them and and

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they opened up for me and I thought they

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saw it he did I mean they were screaming

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and the bass player Kim deal is really

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hot

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woman with incredible talent she's no

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longer in the band but I was watching a

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documentary Jean a week or so ago about

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the Pixies and the singer Charles

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Thompson who's also the chief songwriter

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he writes all the tunes

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there was a brief bit where he was

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talking about their third album which

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was called bossa nova and it has all

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these sci-fi themes and UFOs and aliens

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and stuff and in in in the little

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vignette that they were filming of him

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driving in the car he says yeah when I

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was younger I had some some really you

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know pretty amazing UFO experiences so I

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thought hey what a perfect opportunity

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to invite him on this show and let him

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talk about something different than you

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know his band and in all the you know

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the hoopla that's surrounding there the

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release of their first album in 23 years

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I mean Nirvana Cobain it was his

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favorite band u2 Bono says he's the best

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songwriter in America or one of the

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America's best songwriters ever they

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opened up for you too and in the early

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90s and I'm sure when he gets on radio

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shows he's tired of talking about the

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band and tired of talking about the

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personnel difficulties that they had and

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and just you know all the mundane stuff

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that he has to constantly over and over

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and over again answer the same question

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so I sent an inquiry letter to his

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management company asking if he'd be

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interested in coming on the pair cast

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and talking about something different so

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well maybe we'll get a little

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letter-writing campaign go and if they

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don't respond right away but that would

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be fun he's very very interesting guy

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and I think that would really make for a

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cool show going along with our recent

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kind of Spade of having entertainment

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guests on including today's guest film

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director Manny Beckerman now just in

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advance of this and this is gonna be

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fascinating because of the fact that

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this movie bases the story on the

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episode of Brown Mountain lights in

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North Carolina and the reason it's

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interesting and I'll mention this to

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Maddie when it gets on I'll give you

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listeners more the

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tail because I rather focus on the

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guests and that is probably 40 years ago

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I went to brown Mountain now I hate

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going on mountains you see I'm totally

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the opposite of Chris Chris goes in all

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sorts of out-of-the-way places and

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that's his stock and trade that's his

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schtick I however am a hermit and I am

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somewhat afraid of heights I can fly in

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an airplane that's no problem but I

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remember the one time I went to the

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World Trade Center in 2001 and I felt an

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incredible amount of fear when I was at

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the top floor of course six weeks later

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we know what happens so maybe I was

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sensing something but okay to get back

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to this trip to the Brown Mountain

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lights to see what was going on I went

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with my first wife Geneva Hagen and you

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people have heard around the show she's

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a very very smart woman and she's still

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very interested in what we do and we

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remain friends after all these years and

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Allan Greenfield has also been a guest

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on the show and we went up there to the

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peak to have a look at what was going on

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I'll be frank we didn't see anything

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strange we did see some lights and the

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crowd was ready to applaud or cheer hey

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we saw the Brown Mountain lights no it

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was an airplane but that was as close to

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anything strange as possible but in our

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excursion to the vicinity of Brown

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Mountain we got to see this guy who ran

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a little store named Ralph Lael and he

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claimed that he was in contact with the

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beings who were responsible for the

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lights in other words he was a UFO

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contactee oh boy Wow

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so we have fun now I don't know how

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close Maddi Beckerman has gone to

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exploring all this background then we're

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gonna find out oh yeah we're gonna ask

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him some hard questions

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now let's point out here this is just

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not somebody's amateur film it is

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something here that has some first level

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producers like Lawrence bender is a

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producer Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill

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remember those

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oh yeah he was responsible for being a

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producer on alien abduction which is

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Matty Becker means first film also Mike

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Fleiss who is responsible for hostile

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and Texas Chainsaw Massacre the speed

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the newer version of that and therefore

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we're talking here about experienced

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producers have done thrillers and

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they've got a cast of actors here whom

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I've never heard of I expect they're

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probably newcomers but we got this press

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release about this film from IFC Films

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Sundance select so it's something that

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really is being taken seriously and by

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the way you can see it's not in a major

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theatrical release according to the

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publicity blurb we got it's open now in

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select theaters and available on video

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on demand so you know if you've got

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DirecTV or Comcast or something take a

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look at the VOD or video on demand see

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if it's available if you have an Apple

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TV take a look at iTunes and see if it's

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available because you get a chance to

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see how well they've handled it I know

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we haven't seen the film yet we're going

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to be talking about the background in it

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the inspiration here but I know Chris

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and I are ready to watch the video on

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demand after this it does sound

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fascinating remember it's a fictional

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film okay I'm still trying to wrap my

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head around an abduction film based on

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the Brown Mountain lights we're really

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gonna have to do a little digging here

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and see if we uncover anything that's

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gonna create a connection here that I

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can sort of wrap my head around now the

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key here is to see how they take the

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story and how its spun into this movie

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do they just take the surface fact of

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strange lights being seen on a mountain

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and simply imply all the rest and build

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a fictional story out of it or what what

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kind of research did they do no that

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would be my guess I don't want to be

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like for example earth vs. the flying

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saucers a 1950s film which was inspired

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by a major Donald Kehoe Flying Saucer

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book

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the only inspiration there was like the

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first 30 seconds of the movie where they

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talk about UFO sightings everything else

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it was a standard grade B science

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fiction film having nothing to do with

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Keo in fact I kind of think or I heard

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that the reason they even bought the

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rights to Kiyo's book is because they

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felt he had the right to use the name

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flying saucer that Kehoe had the patent

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there was something on it there of

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course he didn't trade right he had the

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trademark and that's why they did who

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knows anyway we have Madi Beckerman

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director of alien abduction coming on

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with gene and Chris you're in the para

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cast first game attack of the rockets

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and it was a critically acclaimed

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success and now there's the coming of

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the protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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director Mattie Beckerman joining gene

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and Chris on the power cast and we're

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talking about a new film a science

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fiction film called alien abduction that

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has a factual basis as we mentioned the

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previous segment the Brown Mountain

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lights in North Carolina

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Maddie welcome to the power cast thank

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you so much for having me guys tell us

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first before we get into the story and

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how you chose this particular episode to

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influence a movie what's your background

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in the film business so I was initially

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a music supervisor we did about 40 films

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for filming and TV and it was everything

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from jackass to Nancy Drew and

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Charlotte's Web and through that process

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I met you know writers directors

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producers and decided to start my own

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company making movies and one of the

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first movies I made as a producer was

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called the experiment with Adrian Brody

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and Forest Whitaker and that came out

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through Sony

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and the director was this great director

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named Paul shearing and he had created

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the TV show and series prison breaks the

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movie was based on the real-life

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Stanford Prison Experiment and we did

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pretty well with it

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you know it wasn't a huge theatrical

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release but I really learned how to make

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an independent film that way and then I

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decided you know to do this on my own

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to actually write a project with my best

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friend that was close to my heart which

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is the story of the Brown Mountain

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lights why the Brown Mountain lights if

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you had an interest over the years in

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paranormal events yeah I mean my family

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have lived in the area but the real

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lights have been seen and my

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grandparents have been there since the

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1970s so we would go and visit them and

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I'd hear stories about the lights and

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then I actually ended up working there

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for a couple years with my uncle and one

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of the guys that I had worked with there

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it's a peculiar guy and was a little shy

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and strange and I sat down with him

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after a while

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he opened up to me and told me after

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seeing the lights he had been abducted

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and repeatedly and you know I didn't

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really believe him really skeptical

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about it I thought just thought he was a

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little crazy

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but you know he had no reason to really

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lie to me about it

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just a salt-of-the-earth good-natured

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nicest guy I know and then I started

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talking to other people who had similar

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stories and it really changed my mind

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people like police officers and

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schoolteachers and you know just good

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good people and people who wouldn't

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appear on camera because they were

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scared of the blowback that they would

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receive having come out with a story

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like this did you ever hear stories

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about a guy named Ralph

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lael yes yes this is this is kind of a

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kooky story from the area

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I mean I'm sure you guys know a little

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bit of the background on it so Ralph

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whale I met Ralph Leo years ago you did

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I sure did I

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visit his Brown mountain undersea I'm an

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old codger so this was about maybe 100

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years ago but we did go to North

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Carolina we did check out Weissman's

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view and we did visit I think it was a

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rock shop or something that Ralph Lael

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managed man I never met him I can't

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believe you have because he's such a

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legend in the area now do you want me to

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explain the the background of Ralph

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please tell our listeners about him this

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is fascinating

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yes so Ralph Alejo owned a little shop

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close to the Brown Mountain and the

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Overlook and he would pack his lunch in

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the morning he'd walk out into the woods

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and he would disappear for weeks at a

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time and when he'd come back he would

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say I was just taken on a ship and we

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went to another planet with my alien

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friends now not only that the Ralph's

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around Brown mountain if you paid him

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like $45 you could go into this back

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room of his shop and he had what he

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claimed was an alien body there's a

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couple known pictures of it one I think

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Joshua P Warren who's a very you know

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famous paranormal researcher has sure

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and he showed me this picture and you

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know it's it looks like a mummified body

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of a very small alien creature and you

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know Ralph whale died and immediately

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his little shock was bulldozed and no

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one to this day can find that alien body

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now when I visited him I don't recall if

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he offered to let us see an alien body

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for $45 now in those years $45 was real

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money yeah yeah so I don't know did you

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get to see it no you don't recall seeing

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anything like it had to be pretty close

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to him in order for him to actually

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share that with you we do have a

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photograph it's kind of a slightly

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blurry but

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you have a photographic form dr. Peric

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ascom on the question thread that we

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have for your show here the photographs

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up there great I'm so glad I mean it's

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it's a freaky looking thing and I think

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you know people were speculating that it

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was a mummified body of a child and like

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like some really freaky stuff I mean it

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doesn't look human to me and Ralph's

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levels a bit of a kooky guy but he had

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the story after story of visiting the

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with these alien creatures and it's easy

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to say he was just a nut but you know

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powerful weeks at a time that's yeah

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that's a head scratcher yeah I mean just

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what he would walk out into the woods

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and no one would see him of course you

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see the problem is he's long gone so

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there's really no way to investigate

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this but did he have any family members

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around there that anyone could talk to

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and maybe get a background about this

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you know Josh Warren has done exactly

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that

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okay he's spoken there's family members

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and he's really dug in on it and you

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know the story seemed authentic you know

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I know one has disproved that this is

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not the real case yeah it's one of the

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it's one of the many legends surrounding

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the Brown Mountain lights let's go into

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more of those legends because I think

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our listeners would want to get a

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perspective as to how this influenced

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your screenwriting activities okay now

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let me tell you here I never saw the

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lights I was up at Weissman's View we

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did see some lights and everybody was

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ready to shout there it is there it is

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it was just an airplane yeah that's as

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close as we came

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now did you personally ever see anything

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up there anything strange and let me

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tell you we're gonna break in about a

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minute so if we start an answer now

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we'll pick it up on the next segment

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yeah I have seen the lights myself I

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took pictures of them I saw 9 or 10 of

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them moving around the mountain range

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and shooting off into the sky and it's

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on my website you go to alien abduction

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film comm I have a blog up there that

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actually shows me at Wiseman's view

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taking pictures and strange objects

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showing up in our actual photographs

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it's very important here

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we're talking about not just writing a

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fiction film like there was one very

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recently about abductions they even

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implied a factual basis and it was just

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another fiction film it wasn't a bad

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abduction film it was Milla Jovovich I

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believe was the star right so any time

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in a movie you say you know what it was

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worth watching the film we're talking

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about where we'll be talking about as we

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create the background for you as alien

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abduction the director is Mattie

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Beckerman and the screenwriter so much

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more to come with Gina and Chris you're

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594
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working on a film that's now available

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in theatrical release and

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thing if it's available in iTunes I'm

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gonna rent it it's called alien

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abduction is available in iTunes it is

600
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definitely we're actually at the top of

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the charts and doing incredibly well Wow

602
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congratulations oh let's see now

603
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:49,310
I missed it it opened in Phoenix on the

604
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:53,510
4th of April yeah see I always catch

605
00:27:59,860 --> 00:27:56,210
things late I live in the Phoenix area

606
00:28:03,250 --> 00:27:59,870
since 1993 I did not see the Phoenix

607
00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:03,260
lights oh that was my next question okay

608
00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:05,420
well you got the answer I didn't you

609
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:08,120
know I'm kind of a hermit as Chris knows

610
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,590
I'm kind of a homebody I do get out

611
00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:11,570
every so often they let me out every so

612
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:12,980
often let's get back to this they flew

613
00:28:16,930 --> 00:28:15,050
right over my motel room at Casa Grande

614
00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:16,940
and I missed it I was watching the NCAA

615
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:19,100
finals you see and I was running a

616
00:28:23,529 --> 00:28:21,230
on technology I wasn't heavily into UFOs

617
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:23,539
there I kind of get away from the

618
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:25,490
subject okay so let's talk about the

619
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:28,460
stories you did see lights yes okay I

620
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,190
saw the lights of Brown Mountain very

621
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:34,159
clear we went up there my wife and a

622
00:28:38,169 --> 00:28:36,470
friend of ours and we saw the lights

623
00:28:40,269 --> 00:28:38,179
full on and I took pictures of our

624
00:28:42,370 --> 00:28:40,279
experience and I did do a little blog

625
00:28:44,529 --> 00:28:42,380
about it you can check it out an alien

626
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:44,539
abduction film calm there's an area

627
00:28:49,539 --> 00:28:47,690
called director's blog and it's all up

628
00:28:51,369 --> 00:28:49,549
there oh yeah we'll definitely check

629
00:28:54,369 --> 00:28:51,379
that but let's go more into the

630
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,379
background here now in terms of

631
00:28:58,749 --> 00:28:56,720
abductions did you talk to anybody

632
00:29:01,539 --> 00:28:58,759
within that area who claimed to have

633
00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:01,549
been abducted by alien beings or

634
00:29:08,169 --> 00:29:04,700
something or other yes so the opening of

635
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:08,179
our film is a documentary style where we

636
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:11,350
interview you know several local people

637
00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:14,210
we interview a professor of astronomy

638
00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:17,000
and physics dan Katyn at Appalachian

639
00:29:20,769 --> 00:29:18,860
State University

640
00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:20,779
we interviewed local people who have

641
00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:23,809
seen a life their entire life and we

642
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:25,100
interview people who claim they've been

643
00:29:31,749 --> 00:29:27,470
abducted and so the opening of the film

644
00:29:34,210 --> 00:29:31,759
really sets the story and shows what we

645
00:29:36,129 --> 00:29:34,220
believe is really going on there and one

646
00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:36,139
of the stories is this woman after

647
00:29:42,340 --> 00:29:39,950
seeing the lights heads home and she is

648
00:29:46,419 --> 00:29:42,350
sucked up against the ceiling of her

649
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:46,429
bedroom and she wakes up in bed moments

650
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,370
later her husband jumps up and says oh

651
00:29:54,369 --> 00:29:52,399
my god I just had the worst nightmare I

652
00:29:56,740 --> 00:29:54,379
was sucked up against the ceiling of her

653
00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:56,750
bedroom I hate when that happens

654
00:30:02,169 --> 00:29:58,340
don't you hate that when that happens

655
00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:02,179
and and the crazy part was that their

656
00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:03,740
daughter comes running in the room and

657
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,460
says where have you guys been for the

658
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:09,919
last day and a half I really hate when

659
00:30:14,610 --> 00:30:10,730
that happens

660
00:30:16,869 --> 00:30:14,620
yeah so so this is a typical time loss

661
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,879
people do not remember what's happened

662
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:19,039
to them they remember and initial either

663
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:21,590
lights or something odd happened to them

664
00:30:28,139 --> 00:30:24,830
physically and then losing like around

665
00:30:31,149 --> 00:30:28,149
18 hours well this is really unusual I'm

666
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:31,159
fairly up to speed on these subjects and

667
00:30:34,299 --> 00:30:32,090
I really

668
00:30:38,909 --> 00:30:34,309
no idea that the Brown Mountain lights

669
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:38,919
had these attendant potential stories

670
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,559
that are somehow tied to them now you've

671
00:30:46,779 --> 00:30:44,480
done I'm sure you've done quite a bit of

672
00:30:49,659 --> 00:30:46,789
research on this and I know Joshua has

673
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:49,669
how far back do some of these legends go

674
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:53,600
I seem to recall stories from I think

675
00:30:59,169 --> 00:30:56,960
the 1800s even of Lights being seen it

676
00:31:02,289 --> 00:30:59,179
dates all the way back to 1200 actually

677
00:31:04,779 --> 00:31:02,299
it's it's over 800 years and it takes

678
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:04,789
back to the Cherokee Indians and the

679
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:07,039
first legend of Lights was talked about

680
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:10,370
by the Cherokee is where a whole group

681
00:31:13,389 --> 00:31:11,809
of Cherokees went missing on the

682
00:31:16,899 --> 00:31:13,399
mountain and what they said the lights

683
00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:16,909
were was the spirits of these Native

684
00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:19,100
Americans who roam the mountains you

685
00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:21,830
know the history is large groups of

686
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:23,480
people have gone missing in this area

687
00:31:29,889 --> 00:31:26,360
for centuries and you know the next

688
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:29,899
known recording of this what dates back

689
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,260
to George Washington's observers who

690
00:31:38,889 --> 00:31:35,600
actually saw the lights so it predates

691
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:38,899
electricity and then you know the more

692
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:42,890
modern was 1912 in the Charlotte

693
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:45,890
Observer there's an article that comes

694
00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:48,890
out about you know a group of a hunting

695
00:31:53,470 --> 00:31:51,740
club who went missing and it's witnessed

696
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:53,480
the lights so this is repeated

697
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:55,370
throughout history and then there's a

698
00:32:01,149 --> 00:31:58,250
very famous bluegrass song called the

699
00:32:04,299 --> 00:32:01,159
Brown Mountain lights which was most

700
00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:04,309
famously done by Roy Orbison and it's

701
00:32:10,269 --> 00:32:07,940
about a hunter who goes hunting around

702
00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:10,279
the Linville Gorge Brown mountain area

703
00:32:16,899 --> 00:32:13,750
sees the lights and goes missing his

704
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:16,909
workers go out looking for him and they

705
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,610
also go missing and you know tying all

706
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:22,640
those big disappearances together is

707
00:32:28,299 --> 00:32:25,610
where we end up today well really

708
00:32:32,649 --> 00:32:28,309
interesting we've had an abduction

709
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:32,659
researcher and alien implant expert if

710
00:32:38,919 --> 00:32:35,570
you want to go there named Darryl Sims

711
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,929
who came up about 20 years ago with a

712
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:41,360
very interesting observation that he

713
00:32:45,550 --> 00:32:42,710
seems to think that there's a high

714
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:45,560
percentage of abductees that that shared

715
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,230
Cherokee and Irish genetic background

716
00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:49,760
Wow

717
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:52,070
and in in this area I know it was

718
00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:54,200
settled by Irish settlers and of course

719
00:32:59,920 --> 00:32:58,430
it was a Cherokee area yeah I returned

720
00:33:01,540 --> 00:32:59,930
Scottish settlers yeah

721
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:01,550
Maine people who were there and actually

722
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:03,890
they have a whole thing called the

723
00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:07,850
Highland Games that's so so interesting

724
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:10,430
and this is a it is Cherokee land yeah I

725
00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:11,810
find that very interesting

726
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:14,540
I'm also Cherokee and Irish and I had an

727
00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:16,250
experience when I was 7 years old that

728
00:33:21,820 --> 00:33:19,460
may or may not be related to Darrel

729
00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:21,830
Simms particularly genetic equation but

730
00:33:27,630 --> 00:33:25,040
so we have we have phenomena that have

731
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:27,640
been reported prior to electric lights

732
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:31,130
it's fairly routine to see them during

733
00:33:36,130 --> 00:33:34,100
flat periods when it appears what other

734
00:33:39,130 --> 00:33:36,140
types of background information have you

735
00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:39,140
dug up about these lights and how has

736
00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:41,260
this spun off into some of the local

737
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:44,270
lore about them what are some of the I

738
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:46,610
guess people's ideas of what these

739
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:48,350
lights are and what they may represent

740
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:51,110
you know we did a big premiere in

741
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:52,910
Morganton which is the town that's

742
00:33:59,710 --> 00:33:56,960
directly next to the Overlook for the

743
00:34:02,590 --> 00:33:59,720
Brown Mountain overlook and you know I

744
00:34:03,910 --> 00:34:02,600
really believe that this phenomenon is

745
00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:03,920
bigger than Roswell

746
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:07,100
it's bigger than area 51 because anyone

747
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:09,110
can go up there and actually see the

748
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:11,330
lights for themselves and it's been

749
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:13,610
witnessed by thousands of people for

750
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:16,750
hundreds of years so you know we did our

751
00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:20,240
premiere in Morganton of the film and we

752
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,100
had a you know good like six seven

753
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:24,800
hundred people show up and I did a Q&A

754
00:34:31,090 --> 00:34:27,170
session with the local people afterwards

755
00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:31,100
and I took my iPhone out and I asked a

756
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:33,350
question I said you know how many people

757
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:35,720
here have witnessed the Brown Mountain

758
00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:39,260
lights and I'm not kidding you about 75%

759
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:41,860
of that audience raised their hands

760
00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:44,450
having seen it well I would seem to make

761
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:46,820
sense that a film about it we tend to

762
00:34:53,110 --> 00:34:50,270
attract a large number of people we're

763
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,120
interested sure for now is there an

764
00:34:58,930 --> 00:34:56,960
official explanation to what these

765
00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:58,940
lights are I assume they would kind

766
00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:01,240
point to some kind of natural phenomenon

767
00:35:05,890 --> 00:35:04,040
you know it's been studied three

768
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:05,900
different times by the US government and

769
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:08,420
each time they come up with a different

770
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:13,190
plausible idea swamp people have claimed

771
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,359
it swamp gas there's no swamp swamp gas

772
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,720
okay that's legendary in the UFO fields

773
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:22,880
mob casts the climate's swamp gas

774
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:25,089
there's definitely no swamp in the area

775
00:35:31,809 --> 00:35:28,609
you know somebody another scientist

776
00:35:33,819 --> 00:35:31,819
claimed it was ball lightning which you

777
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:33,829
know I mean I find it hard to believe

778
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:36,170
that this particular spot would

779
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:38,450
constantly create ball lightning yeah

780
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:41,690
and that ball lightning would move

781
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:45,980
around trees and chase people you know

782
00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:48,170
that's it's one thing seeing this

783
00:35:53,470 --> 00:35:51,500
phenomenon from 700 feet across a gorge

784
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:53,480
but it's another thing when you hear

785
00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:55,700
people tell stories of seeing it 20 feet

786
00:36:00,609 --> 00:35:59,060
away in the parking lot with them now

787
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:00,619
did you make any effort to consider

788
00:36:06,460 --> 00:36:03,410
going into the valley to see whether you

789
00:36:08,980 --> 00:36:06,470
could find any of these lights oh yeah I

790
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:08,990
mean you know Joshua Warren actually

791
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:11,180
took a whole team out there from

792
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:13,250
National Geographic right and they got

793
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:16,730
some interesting footage - they did it's

794
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:19,250
up there on Josh's site ground lights

795
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,190
calm but but it's pretty pretty

796
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:24,079
impressive stuff they got we're going to

797
00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:25,160
get into more of this in our next

798
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:26,660
segment by the way Joshua Warren I

799
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:29,089
gather has a cameo in the film as

800
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:32,089
himself yeah we interviewed him in the

801
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:34,250
opening of the mall okay Mattie

802
00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:38,180
Beckerman director writer alien

803
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:40,460
abductions of film with gene and Chris

804
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:52,630
America's largest independently owned

805
00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:58,680
communications network see attack of the

806
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:00,630
rock AIDS has been well received by

807
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:02,940
critics and readers alike it's a thrill

808
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,010
a minute story you'll never forget a

809
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:07,380
former US military intelligence officer

810
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:10,020
is haunted by intense dreams about a

811
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:12,540
beautiful woman pleading for his help

812
00:37:17,540 --> 00:37:14,930
after a terrible battle in outer space

813
00:37:19,819 --> 00:37:17,550
but the dreams turn out to be true and

814
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:19,829
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

815
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:22,200
with a woman who's faraway planet is

816
00:37:27,650 --> 00:37:25,440
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abduct us our guest is Mattie Beckerman

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the film is alien abduction it's science

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fiction but has a factual basis the

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incidents or phenomenon known as the

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Brown Mountain lights near Morganton

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North Carolina and I was there I didn't

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see the lights

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you know they hid the day I went up

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there so you know that's how things

923
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happen to me now let's look at the

924
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physical characteristics here Mattie how

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big are these lights supposed to be well

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they're about eight feet seven or eight

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feet large and they're spheres of orbs

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they can be multicolored and usually

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they try out traveling groups together

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when I saw them there were about eight

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or nine of them and typically people

932
00:42:14,909 --> 00:42:12,249
will see you know three or four moving

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00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:14,919
in a pattern together and you know what

934
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sometimes it's that triangle pattern

935
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:20,739
that is kind of classic to you UFOs

936
00:42:27,179 --> 00:42:24,880
where they form that that triangle grid

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and it's and then maybe then they move

938
00:42:30,959 --> 00:42:29,109
off and they shoot off in different

939
00:42:34,019 --> 00:42:30,969
directions it's been reported for

940
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:34,029
centuries okay well you know we have a

941
00:42:38,579 --> 00:42:35,529
whole bunch of questions and I think

942
00:42:42,959 --> 00:42:38,589
some of them would be good to to ask

943
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here we have a question here from

944
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Poulter worst who's one of our longtime

945
00:42:51,059 --> 00:42:47,529
posters at forum dr. Perik asked calm

946
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and he wants to know about doing a

947
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documentary about the Brown Mountain

948
00:42:56,099 --> 00:42:54,549
lights and other ball-type light

949
00:42:58,469 --> 00:42:56,109
phenomena and reported all over the

950
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world which include the min min lights

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hassled and Foo Fighters etc and

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especially comparing sighting

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descriptions of credible witnesses with

954
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known light phenomenon and as we were

955
00:43:12,689 --> 00:43:10,569
talking about ball lightning and another

956
00:43:15,689 --> 00:43:12,699
topic that not many people know about as

957
00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:15,699
an aside here earth lights and he's

958
00:43:20,009 --> 00:43:17,380
wondering about possible causes of

959
00:43:22,859 --> 00:43:20,019
misinterpretation car headlights planes

960
00:43:25,679 --> 00:43:22,869
helicopters should be interesting now

961
00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:25,689
we've already determined that this seems

962
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to predate any

963
00:43:32,730 --> 00:43:29,590
like electrical activity so what other

964
00:43:34,830 --> 00:43:32,740
potential explanations have been you

965
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know put forth by scientists or by

966
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:36,280
people that have been investigating this

967
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,750
what about this whole idea of earth

968
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lights are you familiar with Paul

969
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:41,530
Devereaux's work and and some of the

970
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theories that he's come up with about

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about earthquake fault lights for

972
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instance and and other types of earth

973
00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:49,150
light phenomenon yeah I mean it has to

974
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do with electromagnetism and water

975
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moving underneath the earth and the

976
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fault line like electromagnetism you

977
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,670
know it very well could be that

978
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something natural is cause of this and

979
00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:06,970
maybe some of the sightings are some

980
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:08,860
kind of natural phenomenon but that

981
00:44:12,810 --> 00:44:10,510
doesn't explain you know the creature

982
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:12,820
sightings that people see there or the

983
00:44:19,460 --> 00:44:16,650
abduction stories you know I definitely

984
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you know I definitely listen to all the

985
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all the different you know if you go up

986
00:44:25,290 --> 00:44:23,590
there as a geologist you think it's part

987
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of the geology if you go up there

988
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:31,360
as somebody who's studying astrology you

989
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,140
try to explain it as a meteor right so

990
00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:36,880
y'all just would consider it be a

991
00:44:42,030 --> 00:44:38,980
sociological phenomenon right a

992
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:42,040
phenomenologist would probably accept

993
00:44:46,590 --> 00:44:43,600
all of the above and then reject them

994
00:44:48,420 --> 00:44:46,600
all well Maddie

995
00:44:51,390 --> 00:44:48,430
you've also you kind of hinted here that

996
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there were also other types of phenomena

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that have been reported that that seemed

998
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,820
possibly to be connected

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what sort of entity sightings have been

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seen give us kind of a short list on

1001
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some of the stories that you've heard

1002
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yeah so you know Ralph whale was the

1003
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biggest one there who claimed you know

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of course it had a an alien body and he

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would show to people and there's

1006
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:14,980
pictures of that up and then there's a

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00:45:23,970 --> 00:45:19,390
creature they call pumpkin man which is

1008
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:23,980
a little guy who's about four feet tall

1009
00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:26,940
and has a head shaped like a pumpkin and

1010
00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:29,110
lots of people's claimed they've seen

1011
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:32,320
that around the brown mountain area you

1012
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:33,910
know but it's still for me always comes

1013
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:36,010
back to the large groups of people who

1014
00:45:40,589 --> 00:45:38,950
have gone missing and and now more

1015
00:45:42,089 --> 00:45:40,599
recently

1016
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:42,099
you know one of the one of my favorite

1017
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,680
stories is of a guy who actually reached

1018
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:47,440
out and put his hand into one of the

1019
00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:50,440
Brown Mountain lights surrounded by

1020
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:53,589
witnesses so he went up to the Overlook

1021
00:46:01,140 --> 00:45:57,220
and there was around 1988 with a group

1022
00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:01,150
of 9 or 10 people and one of the lights

1023
00:46:08,570 --> 00:46:03,430
came up onto the Overlook off of Highway

1024
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:08,580
181 in in Burke County North Carolina

1025
00:46:15,810 --> 00:46:12,160
one of the lights came up onto the area

1026
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,820
and everyone ran away except for this

1027
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:18,480
one guy who got out of his car and

1028
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,710
decided to walk up to the lights and

1029
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,440
very similarly to Travis Walton fire in

1030
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,359
the sky everyone's screaming no no get

1031
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:27,040
back in here

1032
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:29,710
and he walks up he puts his hand out and

1033
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:32,530
sticks his hand directly into it and

1034
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:34,930
there's two accounts of what happened

1035
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:38,410
one from him directly and another from

1036
00:46:45,150 --> 00:46:41,920
the group that were surrounding him

1037
00:46:47,070 --> 00:46:45,160
he explained that there was about four

1038
00:46:50,070 --> 00:46:47,080
seconds and it felt like he was sticking

1039
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:50,080
his hand into an electrical socket like

1040
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:51,580
he was electrocuted

1041
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:54,670
the people around him said he was stuck

1042
00:47:02,070 --> 00:46:58,960
and frozen for a good 10 or 15 minutes

1043
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:02,080
and could not move and no one would

1044
00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:04,420
approach him to get him out of it

1045
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:06,460
they said the light went from about 8

1046
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:09,430
feet wide and it dimmed down and got

1047
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:13,960
really compact around him and so this

1048
00:47:17,010 --> 00:47:16,089
this is another you know this is the

1049
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:17,020
first time I've heard of anybody

1050
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:19,030
actually touching one of these like what

1051
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:20,560
10 minutes well where were all the

1052
00:47:24,930 --> 00:47:22,570
cameras where were the video cameras and

1053
00:47:27,900 --> 00:47:24,940
you know people documenting this you

1054
00:47:30,750 --> 00:47:27,910
know I guess in 1988 they didn't have

1055
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:30,760
the you know cell phone cameras and

1056
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:32,740
those types of things water it wasn't

1057
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:35,470
that time well now they do have the cell

1058
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,339
phone cameras and you still don't see as

1059
00:47:43,290 --> 00:47:41,440
many pictures of things is you expect

1060
00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:43,300
and when you do they don't show anything

1061
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:44,980
to just show a little flexible and sky

1062
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,780
but this would be the problem here too

1063
00:47:53,490 --> 00:47:49,119
even if you took a picture of it and you

1064
00:47:54,220 --> 00:47:53,500
show somebody's hand inside a light you

1065
00:47:57,130 --> 00:47:54,230
could say

1066
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:57,140
be anything at all yeah that's very true

1067
00:48:03,580 --> 00:47:58,609
I mean the pictures that I have on my

1068
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:03,590
site are pretty clear there are beams of

1069
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:08,540
light and orbs surrounding us and you

1070
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:12,530
can see very clearly what's happening is

1071
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:14,930
it just objects and there was taking

1072
00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:17,510
this with my iPhone and my wife then

1073
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:19,790
started taking pictures with hers so two

1074
00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:22,190
different iPhones all right let's look

1075
00:48:28,330 --> 00:48:24,200
into the disappearances did anybody

1076
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:28,340
actually just vanish and never come back

1077
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:31,400
well they say Ralph's allowed well

1078
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:33,590
actually vanished never came back

1079
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:37,670
oh he didn't just die off and get buried

1080
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:39,950
or something no there's no ladder in a

1081
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:41,300
cemetery for his body

1082
00:48:44,980 --> 00:48:43,130
you know there's legend and there's

1083
00:48:48,609 --> 00:48:44,990
conjecture and there's things and I've

1084
00:48:51,790 --> 00:48:48,619
heard different stories about it yeah so

1085
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:51,800
it could be that he just disappeared I

1086
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:53,900
know that the alien body did just

1087
00:49:00,280 --> 00:48:56,630
disappear and his place was bulldoze

1088
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:00,290
after he had he had gone well I

1089
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:03,609
understand - he was an old guy yeah so

1090
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:06,410
no idea I was a matter of fact I don't

1091
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:07,490
remember how old he was

1092
00:49:12,970 --> 00:49:11,240
I got this 70ish kind of vibe which

1093
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:12,980
meant he could have died of natural

1094
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:17,990
causes it's very possible so there you

1095
00:49:21,220 --> 00:49:19,970
go all right now as far as the

1096
00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:21,230
abductions are concerned

1097
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:23,390
have you brought in abduction

1098
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:25,820
researchers to look at the incidents and

1099
00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:29,090
evaluate it no I mean a lot of these

1100
00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:31,190
people you know or they have a hard time

1101
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:34,100
talking about it it's funny since I've

1102
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:37,850
made the film many more people have

1103
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:40,430
approached me to discuss what they've

1104
00:49:47,050 --> 00:49:44,090
experienced there you know at the

1105
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,060
premiere we did I had you know three

1106
00:49:51,609 --> 00:49:50,000
different people come up and say I've

1107
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:51,619
seen the lights and I've been abducted

1108
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:54,350
here's my story and I think it would be

1109
00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:56,390
good for if we are gonna do a second

1110
00:50:01,570 --> 00:49:59,150
film to follow up talk to all these

1111
00:50:05,170 --> 00:50:01,580
people do a second round of documentary

1112
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:05,180
footage and and definitely get their

1113
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:08,000
stories on tape and go into it

1114
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,030
so you've basically are gonna make that

1115
00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:14,000
a follow-up film that a sequel like in

1116
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:16,700
the sense of you know alien abduction -

1117
00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:18,890
unless I guess if there is big demand

1118
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:21,470
for it yeah I mean well I already

1119
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:24,080
started doing the documentary and and

1120
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,090
actually the opening of the film the

1121
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:28,760
documentary pieces I wasn't planning on

1122
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,130
using that in the actual movie I just

1123
00:50:34,210 --> 00:50:32,720
started interviewing local people

1124
00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:34,220
because they kept approaching me and

1125
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:36,260
saying I've seen the lights I've seen

1126
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:38,180
the lights I said that's even better

1127
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:40,010
than the than the fictionalized stuff

1128
00:50:46,030 --> 00:50:42,650
yeah it really it really was captivating

1129
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:46,040
I've got a question now obviously this

1130
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:48,890
is a project that really has fascinated

1131
00:50:54,970 --> 00:50:50,900
you and in the in the subject matter is

1132
00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:54,980
compelling how difficult is it to even

1133
00:50:59,020 --> 00:50:56,780
as an insider with a track record like

1134
00:51:01,840 --> 00:50:59,030
you have how difficult is it to pitch an

1135
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:01,850
idea like this to the trade so to speak

1136
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:04,160
I mean it's pretty tough we did this

1137
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:06,170
completely independently outside the

1138
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:09,310
studio system we have Madi Beckerman

1139
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:13,280
director and screenwriter the film is

1140
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:17,150
alien abduction based on the legend or

1141
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,980
the reality of the brown mountain light

1142
00:51:23,860 --> 00:51:21,680
makes me feel disappointed that I didn't

1143
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:23,870
see the real lights all those years ago

1144
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:26,810
with gene and Chris you're in the para

1145
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,960
a little rides a little laugh but always

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1152
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1182
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1184
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:11,420
here's Jane Steinberg I was thinking

1185
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,740
Chris maybe the next time you do the

1186
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:14,720
power cast you can come across as the

1187
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,550
ghostly Ralph

1188
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:19,040
lael give us a Ralph Leo voice of course

1189
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:20,420
I don't remember what he sounded like

1190
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:22,130
you were in the middle of answering a

1191
00:54:26,860 --> 00:54:25,010
question that Chris post Maddie yes we

1192
00:54:29,830 --> 00:54:26,870
did this film completely independently

1193
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:29,840
outside the studio system and we were

1194
00:54:34,510 --> 00:54:31,970
fortunate enough to have incredible

1195
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:34,520
producers one of which was Lawrence

1196
00:54:41,770 --> 00:54:38,570
bender and Lawrence did every film from

1197
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:41,780
Quentin Tarantino from Pulp Fiction to

1198
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:44,090
Reservoir Dogs Kill Bill and glorious

1199
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:48,020
bastards an amazing producer and his his

1200
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:50,510
expertise really helped us to get the

1201
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:51,830
distribution and get all the things that

1202
00:54:57,010 --> 00:54:54,170
we needed in place that's a heavy hitter

1203
00:54:58,510 --> 00:54:57,020
yeah I mean he read the script and loved

1204
00:55:01,120 --> 00:54:58,520
it and he got involved from the very

1205
00:55:03,370 --> 00:55:01,130
beginning of the project and then we

1206
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:03,380
also had Mike Fleiss and Mike had

1207
00:55:08,830 --> 00:55:05,720
produced hostile and Texas Chainsaw

1208
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:08,840
Massacre and was also just a terrific

1209
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:11,570
help throughout this whole process so

1210
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:13,430
it's definitely great to have guys like

1211
00:55:18,310 --> 00:55:15,950
that involved when you do a sci-fi film

1212
00:55:20,830 --> 00:55:18,320
though usually you think it costs a lot

1213
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,840
of money a sci-fi film with the special

1214
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:22,880
effects and all this stuff and the CGI

1215
00:55:26,260 --> 00:55:25,250
and everything they're talking of a 200

1216
00:55:27,850 --> 00:55:26,270
million dollar film or something

1217
00:55:29,710 --> 00:55:27,860
obviously if you're doing an independent

1218
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:29,720
film if you get a million dollars you're

1219
00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:32,660
lucky so how did you plot this out in

1220
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,670
terms of special effects to

1221
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:36,640
realistically present what was going on

1222
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:39,830
everything we did is in camera we didn't

1223
00:55:45,370 --> 00:55:42,650
have money for CG it was under a million

1224
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:45,380
dollars of the budget and way under a

1225
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:47,330
million but you know everything we had

1226
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:51,140
to do was done practically so you know

1227
00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:53,360
every every scene all the special

1228
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:55,670
effects we do or all things you know I

1229
00:56:01,360 --> 00:55:58,070
was always a big fan of the first Star

1230
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:01,370
Wars rather than you know the newer ones

1231
00:56:06,130 --> 00:56:04,490
because I feel like you know the things

1232
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:06,140
that are actually in camera you can see

1233
00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:08,210
feel more real and feel

1234
00:56:13,900 --> 00:56:09,950
real little you don't go into this

1235
00:56:16,780 --> 00:56:13,910
motion-capture thing no I mean I could

1236
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:16,790
do that but I certainly you know doing

1237
00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:19,310
one motion capture scene it's probably

1238
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:22,940
the entire budget of our movie and that

1239
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:24,609
takes like two seconds on the screen

1240
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:26,570
right exactly

1241
00:56:30,790 --> 00:56:28,550
okay couldn't afford to do that stuff so

1242
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:30,800
now of course the other way of doing

1243
00:56:35,410 --> 00:56:33,200
things is that stop-motion effect from

1244
00:56:39,609 --> 00:56:35,420
Ray Harryhausen which is time-consuming

1245
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:39,619
but not necessarily expensive but let me

1246
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:44,330
ask you here how much actual sci-fi

1247
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:46,790
stuff do you see in this film is it

1248
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:49,810
mostly suggested no it's pretty full-on

1249
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:53,599
so there's a scene in the film where the

1250
00:57:02,109 --> 00:56:56,930
family is actually sucked up into space

1251
00:57:05,170 --> 00:57:02,119
and we we actually launched a low-earth

1252
00:57:07,780 --> 00:57:05,180
orbit weather balloon with a GoPro

1253
00:57:10,329 --> 00:57:07,790
camera attached to it and caught the

1254
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:10,339
curvature of the earth it exploded

1255
00:57:15,609 --> 00:57:12,440
dropped back to earth we had to track it

1256
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:15,619
with GPS systems in order to get that

1257
00:57:21,820 --> 00:57:16,190
shot

1258
00:57:24,430 --> 00:57:21,830
uh that's kind of a low-cost but very

1259
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:24,440
effective invention I mean we lost the

1260
00:57:30,339 --> 00:57:28,310
first two balloons we launched so it

1261
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:30,349
wasn't effective at first but but

1262
00:57:35,500 --> 00:57:32,810
eventually we did get the shot right and

1263
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:35,510
it's pretty fun of course you know I

1264
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:37,730
guess one of the things about doing

1265
00:57:42,849 --> 00:57:40,609
films these days is that the actual

1266
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:42,859
editing systems are really cheap you can

1267
00:57:49,089 --> 00:57:45,920
get yourself Final Cut Pro 10 for $300

1268
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,099
get yourself a Mac Pro or something for

1269
00:57:52,349 --> 00:57:50,480
three thousand dollars well that's not

1270
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:52,359
so cheap get yourself an iMac or MacBook

1271
00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:54,950
Pro and suddenly you can do some

1272
00:58:01,210 --> 00:57:59,210
incredible things used an avid system we

1273
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:01,220
did use an avid system oh there you go

1274
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:05,839
our editor edited everything from Big

1275
00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:07,910
Trouble in Little China to fire in the

1276
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:11,540
sky he was just an amazing editor so he

1277
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,680
was a total pro

1278
00:58:17,950 --> 00:58:15,440
knew what he was doing and used an avid

1279
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:17,960
system let's go back to the actual story

1280
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:20,690
here so in terms of Brown Mountain

1281
00:58:24,610 --> 00:58:21,770
lights we

1282
00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:24,620
have the legend the reality whatever we

1283
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:28,190
have the lights we have people vanishing

1284
00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:32,480
for days or hours we have creature

1285
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,900
sightings yeah tell us more about them

1286
00:58:40,030 --> 00:58:37,760
then I want to get back to the film and

1287
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:40,040
the plotting and everything

1288
00:58:48,670 --> 00:58:43,450
the creature sightings are in line with

1289
00:58:52,930 --> 00:58:48,680
what I think are either the lizzi's or

1290
00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:52,940
the greys and you guys both probably

1291
00:58:59,970 --> 00:58:55,640
know people report seeing the gray is

1292
00:59:03,280 --> 00:58:59,980
more often than they do the the lizzi's

1293
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:03,290
and that's what this movie is based on

1294
00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:05,330
is the real encounters people have with

1295
00:59:08,740 --> 00:59:06,320
the gray aliens

1296
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:08,750
those are the legendary creatures that

1297
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:10,850
people have always described yeah

1298
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:11,900
exactly

1299
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:15,760
so are the creatures in our movie our

1300
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,670
greys and they're classic and you know I

1301
00:59:26,770 --> 00:59:22,640
didn't want to create some alien looking

1302
00:59:28,540 --> 00:59:26,780
hybrid with like 10 legs and you know

1303
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:28,550
some spider looking creature I wanted to

1304
00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:31,490
really stay true to the true abduction

1305
00:59:35,770 --> 00:59:33,560
stories and what people have reported

1306
00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:35,780
for centuries but yeah that was gonna

1307
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:37,790
lead to my question is how accurately

1308
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:41,570
did you try to depict the descriptions

1309
00:59:46,810 --> 00:59:43,610
from witnesses without taking too much

1310
00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:46,820
artistic license I tried to keep it as

1311
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,460
authentic and keep the integrity as

1312
00:59:54,340 --> 00:59:51,680
close as we can so the whole movie is

1313
00:59:56,860 --> 00:59:54,350
shot through the perspective of an

1314
01:00:01,150 --> 00:59:56,870
eleven-year-old autistic kids video

1315
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:01,160
camera and his he and his family go out

1316
01:00:05,980 --> 01:00:03,410
on a vacation they're camping in the

1317
01:00:10,330 --> 01:00:05,990
brown mountain area and they see lights

1318
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:10,340
over there campground and you know from

1319
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:13,090
there things kind of go off the rails

1320
01:00:22,780 --> 01:00:20,000
and the the family are abducted and this

1321
01:00:26,350 --> 01:00:22,790
this kid captures the entire thing on

1322
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:26,360
his video camera so in the in the nature

1323
01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:29,420
of Blair Witch or paranormal activity

1324
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:32,780
this is a found footage film so you're

1325
01:00:37,329 --> 01:00:35,390
watching the entire movie as

1326
01:00:39,069 --> 01:00:37,339
from this kids corner oh nice I like

1327
01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:39,079
that that's that's a cool approach I

1328
01:00:43,029 --> 01:00:41,180
like that so this is very much like a

1329
01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:43,039
home movie in terms of the way it's set

1330
01:00:48,250 --> 01:00:45,980
up it is yeah everything's shot from his

1331
01:00:50,529 --> 01:00:48,260
camera it never goes to another camera

1332
01:00:53,549 --> 01:00:50,539
now for those who were geeks about stuff

1333
01:00:58,299 --> 01:00:53,559
like that did you use just one camera

1334
01:01:00,099 --> 01:00:58,309
actually we did but except for some of

1335
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:00,109
the like this shot where we launched a

1336
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:02,390
weather balloon we did use a GoPro and

1337
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,079
we actually used a consumer Panasonic

1338
01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:08,240
camera that you anyone can buy a

1339
01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:11,180
standard high def camera yeah just a

1340
01:01:15,329 --> 01:01:13,279
standard Panasonic high def camera

1341
01:01:19,660 --> 01:01:15,339
that's what we just do aspiring

1342
01:01:22,329 --> 01:01:19,670
filmmakers take notes yeah our director

1343
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:22,339
of photography his name is Luke Geist

1344
01:01:29,319 --> 01:01:26,690
Bueller and he did Borat and Bruno and

1345
01:01:31,509 --> 01:01:29,329
the virginity hit and just it is an

1346
01:01:33,339 --> 01:01:31,519
amazing director of photography so it

1347
01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:33,349
was lucky to have him

1348
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:36,200
you know he often times would juggle the

1349
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:39,529
camera with our 11 year old actor and go

1350
01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:43,130
back and forth with him and we would put

1351
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Luke in the same pants and the same

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shoes as Riley our lead our lead actor

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so sometimes it would be our director

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photography's legs and feet you'd see

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rather than this eleven-year-old kid

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okay as far as the aliens look like

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traditional greys are these people

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wearing costumes with makeup what we had

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Chiodo brothers and they're famous for

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killer clowns from outer space and

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critters and Teenage Mutant Ninja

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Turtles they created the suits for that

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so they actually I sketched up a design

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ooh with my writing partner and that's

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what we gave to them and then we've got

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to created a suit and it's physically a

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person in it was giant like Peter

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Dinklage is someone of The Wizard of Oz

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midgets we got a guy named Walter Phelan

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who is incredibly skinny he's really

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tall and

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super thin and his normal body

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contortion is that of a very odd he's

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been in tons of movies like from dusk

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till dawn and and house of a thousand

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corpses he was one of the main

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characters in it but he is a character

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actor in in costume and so we we

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actually had him put on the suit and

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taking these movements we also had what

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we what are called WeDo legs which are

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these stilts that he was on

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so his movements were very unnatural

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very inhuman I'll tell you what we're

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not human we're the I don't know what we

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think that's pushing the accent there

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guys alright Madi Beckerman

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director/screenwriter the film is alien

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01:08:23,670 --> 01:08:20,710
abduction this is one of those found

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01:08:25,860 --> 01:08:23,680
footage films it looks like gaaah whole

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01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:25,870
movie but then nothing wrong with that

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01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:27,940
they've been pretty successful so we

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01:08:34,079 --> 01:08:30,520
have the grey alien just one or did this

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01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,089
guy try to pretend to be several we had

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01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:37,359
multiple so it wasn't just one but he

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01:08:41,249 --> 01:08:39,370
was our main character actor we also had

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01:08:43,769 --> 01:08:41,259
if we have actually about four suits

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01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:43,779
created for this and you know their eyes

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01:08:49,709 --> 01:08:46,330
we had a remote control that eyes blink

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01:08:52,829 --> 01:08:49,719
their face moves around it looks super

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01:08:54,780 --> 01:08:52,839
real now I have to explain here about

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01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,790
the cost structure of a movie less than

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01:08:59,729 --> 01:08:57,279
a million dollars it cost more than that

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01:09:03,059 --> 01:08:59,739
generally for a single episode of a TV

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01:09:05,519 --> 01:09:03,069
series yeah so you had all these very

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01:09:08,490 --> 01:09:05,529
serious constraints as to what you do do

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01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:08,500
you see the Flying Saucer we do actually

1521
01:09:14,190 --> 01:09:11,140
have lights in the sky and you do enter

1522
01:09:16,769 --> 01:09:14,200
the ship yeah I mean it's it's full-on

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01:09:17,939 --> 01:09:16,779
you know most found-footage movies just

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01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:17,949
sit there and it kind of way

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01:09:23,579 --> 01:09:20,219
and you wait in the way this is

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01:09:27,419 --> 01:09:23,589
action-packed and just step on the gas

1527
01:09:29,459 --> 01:09:27,429
thrill ride from for about 10 minutes

1528
01:09:32,459 --> 01:09:29,469
and once we establish the family in

1529
01:09:34,859 --> 01:09:32,469
their entire situation we see the aliens

1530
01:09:38,069 --> 01:09:34,869
you see things and it's not we're not

1531
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:38,079
hiding anything it's pretty scary the

1532
01:09:41,129 --> 01:09:39,369
reviews we've gotten have been

1533
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,139
phenomenal from the New York Times and

1534
01:09:45,589 --> 01:09:43,839
The Village Voice and some people you

1535
01:09:48,599 --> 01:09:45,599
know aren't huge fans of found-footage

1536
01:09:51,539 --> 01:09:48,609
but this felt like the best way to tell

1537
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:51,549
this story so how about the release I

1538
01:09:59,250 --> 01:09:53,610
mean how much money were you able to

1539
01:10:02,009 --> 01:09:59,260
generate you know pre-release to get the

1540
01:10:03,899 --> 01:10:02,019
actual film out there and and what sort

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01:10:07,229 --> 01:10:03,909
of marketing budget does a film like

1542
01:10:09,689 --> 01:10:07,239
this engender from from the trade so to

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speak you know we went out making the

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01:10:15,719 --> 01:10:12,099
movie and and just trying to you know

1545
01:10:17,759 --> 01:10:15,729
get distributors attached and people saw

1546
01:10:21,029 --> 01:10:17,769
some first cuts and we were able to sell

1547
01:10:24,089 --> 01:10:21,039
the rights around the world so it's

1548
01:10:28,169 --> 01:10:24,099
coming out Australia Japan the Middle

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01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:28,179
East Latin America the UK Italy France

1550
01:10:31,109 --> 01:10:30,070
Spain Germany I mean all around the

1551
01:10:34,529 --> 01:10:31,119
world this movie is getting released

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we've sold the rights a terrific company

1553
01:10:40,259 --> 01:10:37,420
and exclusive media sold the rights and

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they did the movie rush recently and the

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woman in black and they're just a

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01:10:49,319 --> 01:10:46,420
terrific terrific unit so they got

1557
01:10:52,259 --> 01:10:49,329
behind the movie and that helped us to

1558
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sell well that's that's fortunate

1559
01:10:58,949 --> 01:10:54,849
because a small film with a modest

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budget if it's properly marketed can

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01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:01,599
actually create quite a return for the

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investors and and also put you in a

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01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,510
pretty pretty cool place to do future

1564
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:10,239
projects yeah IFC picked it up for the

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01:11:15,859 --> 01:11:12,820
US and they've been amazing

1566
01:11:18,509 --> 01:11:15,869
they're the independent film Channel and

1567
01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:18,519
they did a theatrical release for us and

1568
01:11:22,739 --> 01:11:20,380
we were in theaters and and we're at the

1569
01:11:27,149 --> 01:11:22,749
top of the charts on iTunes and Amazon

1570
01:11:28,979 --> 01:11:27,159
and Google we were up at number two when

1571
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:28,989
we first came out I think we might be at

1572
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:30,489
number four right now but we're up

1573
01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:31,210
against like

1574
01:11:37,340 --> 01:11:34,300
Paranormal Activity and insidious and

1575
01:11:39,390 --> 01:11:37,350
we're beating them so it's pretty cool I

1576
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:39,400
couldn't imagine our little movie would

1577
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:41,770
go that far now eventually though it

1578
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:44,890
goes on TV eventually it will so is

1579
01:11:49,950 --> 01:11:47,050
there any possible interest in a wider

1580
01:11:52,410 --> 01:11:49,960
fee a frugal distribution you know it's

1581
01:11:54,420 --> 01:11:52,420
kind of doing what it's doing we were

1582
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:54,430
released at both theatrically and day

1583
01:12:00,270 --> 01:11:57,810
and date on VOD at the same moment so

1584
01:12:02,940 --> 01:12:00,280
that's about as wide as we're going to

1585
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:02,950
get for this film guy reminds me of this

1586
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:06,580
film financial world shenanigans with

1587
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:08,650
Zachary Quinto that he did a few years

1588
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:12,010
ago with Kevin Spacey oh yeah yeah

1589
01:12:16,530 --> 01:12:14,650
margin call margin call and that was the

1590
01:12:18,959 --> 01:12:16,540
same thing we're a limited theatrical

1591
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:18,969
release and also a video-on-demand

1592
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:21,370
release that was a really good film by

1593
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:22,930
the way if you haven't seen margin call

1594
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:24,610
you want to check out that but we're

1595
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:27,250
talking of course about alien abduction

1596
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,489
and for a small film sounds like you've

1597
01:12:34,830 --> 01:12:32,080
gotten a pretty good introduction here

1598
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,840
yeah things are going amazing and the

1599
01:12:40,650 --> 01:12:37,840
movie it's very typical model these days

1600
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:40,660
to release the film in limited theaters

1601
01:12:45,900 --> 01:12:43,120
and on video demand at the same time and

1602
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:45,910
that's the the current model and it's

1603
01:12:50,190 --> 01:12:48,120
work incredibly well for us we've done

1604
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:50,200
way beyond what I could have ever

1605
01:12:55,410 --> 01:12:52,570
imagined doing with its movie so there's

1606
01:12:58,290 --> 01:12:55,420
a film like this you get a DVD release

1607
01:13:01,200 --> 01:12:58,300
too yeah we will we did a deal with

1608
01:13:03,209 --> 01:13:01,210
Netflix around the same time period it's

1609
01:13:06,330 --> 01:13:03,219
gonna be on DVD it'll be available

1610
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:06,340
everywhere on DVD so then you might make

1611
01:13:10,500 --> 01:13:09,520
millions of dollars out of this it's a

1612
01:13:13,890 --> 01:13:10,510
possibility

1613
01:13:16,590 --> 01:13:13,900
cool well any any good well you know

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01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:16,600
thought out and well produced film that

1615
01:13:22,979 --> 01:13:19,860
covers these subjects I think can do

1616
01:13:24,450 --> 01:13:22,989
this floundering field of ufology a lot

1617
01:13:28,140 --> 01:13:24,460
of good and that leads me to a question

1618
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:28,150
from Poulter worst again at Forum dr.

1619
01:13:33,630 --> 01:13:31,330
Peric ascom he's wondering do you think

1620
01:13:35,550 --> 01:13:33,640
it might be worthwhile to figure out

1621
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:35,560
what's behind these phenomenon in our

1622
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:37,090
movies a good way of getting people

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01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:39,850
especially scientist involved in doing

1624
01:13:44,700 --> 01:13:42,550
so oh for sure I mean the amount of

1625
01:13:48,510 --> 01:13:44,710
interest that this film has

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:48,520
generated in people actually going out

1627
01:13:54,750 --> 01:13:49,810
and studying the lights there's actually

1628
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:54,760
a whole business that was created taking

1629
01:14:00,720 --> 01:13:57,760
people on tours of the Brown Mountain

1630
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:00,730
lights area right up there and we

1631
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:04,330
actually talked to Ed Phillips is the

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01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:07,330
director of tourism for Burke County

1633
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:11,920
he brought us brought me and the cast to

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01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:13,750
Morganton in order to have that premiere

1635
01:14:17,190 --> 01:14:15,010
there

1636
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:17,200
he's been thrilled about you know people

1637
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:20,230
really focusing on this area now and

1638
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:22,930
bringing tourism film tourism to North

1639
01:14:29,070 --> 01:14:26,050
Carolina so as far as studying studying

1640
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:29,080
the actual phenomenon it's been studied

1641
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:31,450
a bunch like you know like tons of

1642
01:14:37,500 --> 01:14:35,110
different people and it continues to be

1643
01:14:39,390 --> 01:14:37,510
the professor at Appalachian State

1644
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:39,400
University I was talking about actually

1645
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:42,810
mounted a camera that films the area

1646
01:14:51,060 --> 01:14:48,880
24/7 and he there was one moment that

1647
01:14:54,260 --> 01:14:51,070
there were over a hundred lights seen

1648
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:54,270
wow that's amazing

1649
01:14:59,790 --> 01:14:57,010
do something similar in Colorado with a

1650
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:59,800
triangulated camera system I think

1651
01:15:05,310 --> 01:15:01,739
that's that's a real good place to

1652
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:05,320
interest scientists and in academics in

1653
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:08,230
the you know the possible viability of a

1654
01:15:14,450 --> 01:15:11,170
research project of this sort anything

1655
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:14,460
less and that's gonna be met with with

1656
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:17,050
first of all they'll ignore it in and if

1657
01:15:21,810 --> 01:15:18,850
they are called out to say something

1658
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:21,820
it'll be derided normally well it which

1659
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:23,890
this brings me to another question

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01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:26,950
that's coming from forum dr. Peric ascom

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01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:28,600
where you can ask questions of our

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01:15:33,330 --> 01:15:30,610
guests and this one comes from digital

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01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:33,340
trickster and his first question is have

1664
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:35,410
you ever had any strange experiences and

1665
01:15:39,959 --> 01:15:37,810
we kind of touched on that little but

1666
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:39,969
just in general Mady what is your

1667
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:41,250
opinion of the field of ufology

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:44,170
obviously you've looked into into how

1669
01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:47,010
these things are studied and and the

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questionable nature of some of the

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belief systems that are out there in

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:54,670
this very questionable field called

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ufology where do you come down in

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ufology what what do you

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01:16:02,230 --> 01:16:00,290
think is positive about it and what do

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you think needs to be worked on before

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you answer that question Matic you gotta

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do break time here so let me just remind

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our listeners the film is called alien

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abduction Mattie Beckerman is director

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and one of the screenwriters it's a

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found footage film and it is a

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fascinating fascinating journey into the

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legend of the Brown Mountain lights with

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Gene and Christian the para cast

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[Music]

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01:21:07,500 --> 01:20:58,310
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1784
01:21:14,530 --> 01:21:11,140
now another UFO or paranormal talk-show

1785
01:21:16,660 --> 01:21:14,540
host once called the UFO field toxic I

1786
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:16,670
won't mention his name although some of

1787
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:19,010
you probably know who he is in any case

1788
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:20,780
we have Jean and Chris with Maddy

1789
01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:24,050
Beckerman um the para cast this week of

1790
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:26,600
the film is alien abduction Sumati Chris

1791
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:28,610
asked you a question about the state of

1792
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:30,650
the UFO field have you followed much of

1793
01:21:36,940 --> 01:21:32,330
it yeah you know I had a conversation

1794
01:21:39,550 --> 01:21:36,950
last week with Jim Mars who is the

1795
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:39,560
author of alien agenda and he had a

1796
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:41,030
really good point

1797
01:21:47,140 --> 01:21:43,970
he said let's get over the fact that

1798
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:47,150
UFOs are absolutely real it's proven

1799
01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:51,170
they've existed for centuries and it

1800
01:21:55,390 --> 01:21:54,140
dates back to ancient times so let's

1801
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:55,400
just put that aside

1802
01:22:00,970 --> 01:21:57,920
everyone knows UFOs are real now let's

1803
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:00,980
get into the the real stories and

1804
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:03,620
throughout history and I thought that

1805
01:22:08,620 --> 01:22:05,690
was the most telling thing we all know

1806
01:22:10,690 --> 01:22:08,630
UFOs really do exist but okay what do

1807
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:10,700
you think though can be done to get

1808
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:12,770
traditional science involved because

1809
01:22:17,170 --> 01:22:14,930
traditional science wants to get grants

1810
01:22:19,690 --> 01:22:17,180
if they're not giving grants for UFO

1811
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:19,700
research what do they do well I think

1812
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:21,380
you got a look at what's happening right

1813
01:22:28,890 --> 01:22:25,970
now at this very moment and they've

1814
01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:28,900
discovered a planet that is in the

1815
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:32,840
habitable zone outside of a star where

1816
01:22:39,580 --> 01:22:36,320
it's the most earth-like planet that

1817
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:39,590
they've ever discovered and you have to

1818
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:41,210
think you know there's billions of

1819
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:43,130
planets that actually fall into that

1820
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:46,030
category and there has to be life

1821
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:49,370
outside of where we are we as human

1822
01:22:53,410 --> 01:22:50,810
beings I don't believe we're alone in

1823
01:22:55,630 --> 01:22:53,420
the universe I don't believe that out of

1824
01:22:58,630 --> 01:22:55,640
those billions of systems life does not

1825
01:23:02,800 --> 01:22:58,640
exist well you know without going into

1826
01:23:04,690 --> 01:23:02,810
details there actually are people who

1827
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:04,700
believe UFOs are real but don't believe

1828
01:23:07,930 --> 01:23:06,890
they're necessarily spaceships it's

1829
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:07,940
pretty complicated

1830
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:10,610
sure you know there's meteorites there's

1831
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:12,050
all types of things no we're talking

1832
01:23:16,420 --> 01:23:14,510
about something real but not necessarily

1833
01:23:19,690 --> 01:23:16,430
a spaceship other tenants in the

1834
01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:19,700
building oh oh you mean like a different

1835
01:23:26,230 --> 01:23:23,660
ghosts or or energy balls of transferred

1836
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:26,240
matter no no like other attendants in

1837
01:23:31,180 --> 01:23:28,250
the building maybe a secret race of

1838
01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:31,190
intelligent people who coexist with us

1839
01:23:37,060 --> 01:23:34,280
but really don't want to let us in on

1840
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:37,070
who and what they are a different

1841
01:23:43,690 --> 01:23:41,120
dimension that - you know could be us

1842
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:43,700
coming back from the future tweaking the

1843
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:45,850
timeline for whatever purpose

1844
01:23:52,030 --> 01:23:48,770
anything's plausible I mean there's you

1845
01:23:53,470 --> 01:23:52,040
know the stories of the guy sticking his

1846
01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:53,480
hand in the Brown Mountain lights and

1847
01:24:00,640 --> 01:23:57,340
losing time clearly there is a time

1848
01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:00,650
dimensional aspect to the Brown Mountain

1849
01:24:07,870 --> 01:24:04,070
lights that that's been shown throughout

1850
01:24:10,330 --> 01:24:07,880
history so you know I'm open to any

1851
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:10,340
ideas but I definitely think there have

1852
01:24:16,210 --> 01:24:12,530
been so many abduction stories and the

1853
01:24:19,570 --> 01:24:16,220
stories are so similar in nature that

1854
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:19,580
it's uh it's hard to look past them now

1855
01:24:24,220 --> 01:24:21,530
returning to the film and the choices

1856
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:24,230
you made you're focusing on this family

1857
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:26,570
that's abducted how closely do you

1858
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:29,900
adhere to the actual known facts about

1859
01:24:34,210 --> 01:24:31,730
the lights and the various episodes

1860
01:24:37,660 --> 01:24:34,220
surrounding the people who encounter

1861
01:24:43,210 --> 01:24:37,670
them we stay pretty close to it you know

1862
01:24:45,340 --> 01:24:43,220
the classic alien look stories of giant

1863
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:45,350
lights being shown through people's

1864
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:50,960
homes and those those pieces I was on

1865
01:24:54,910 --> 01:24:53,570
coast to coast am the other night and

1866
01:24:58,330 --> 01:24:54,920
right before I came on

1867
01:25:00,760 --> 01:24:58,340
there was a ufologist who was telling a

1868
01:25:03,610 --> 01:25:00,770
recent story of a woman who heard a

1869
01:25:06,790 --> 01:25:03,620
giant noise outside of her home in

1870
01:25:10,750 --> 01:25:06,800
Florida and then lights were shined

1871
01:25:14,940 --> 01:25:10,760
through her window so much so that she

1872
01:25:18,700 --> 01:25:14,950
thought it was at the Sun and this is

1873
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:18,710
almost identical to some major scenes in

1874
01:25:24,850 --> 01:25:21,530
our movie so I feel like I feel like we

1875
01:25:27,610 --> 01:25:24,860
got it down to the point where people

1876
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:27,620
will understand that all the scenes

1877
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:29,930
we've put together in this film really

1878
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:32,930
reflect stories that people have told

1879
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:35,360
and first-hand accounts why do you think

1880
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that Brown Mountain lights tend to

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cluster around a a pretty specific

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locale what theories have you heard that

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explain its location specific you know

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one one woman was talking about there

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being an energy vortex where this is and

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I think the same could be said for

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places like men men and hassling and and

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you know the places around the world

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where these lights occur and there are

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there are lots of them so you know these

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could be just pockets of energy in

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places where places where the earth is

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is generating these things naturally or

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because of the vortexes because of this

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area it's just a natural beacon for

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extraterrestrial life hmm

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yeah having lived in Sedona for a number

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of years and finally being forced out

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01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:37,370
after I met my second reincarnated

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Nefertiti the whole idea of vortexes is

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is one that's touted often times by

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people but if your average scientist

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01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:49,430
would here you know a very kind of a pop

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01:26:54,010 --> 01:26:51,770
science term like that they kind of

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01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:54,020
snort in their coffee and and it

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wouldn't pay much attention to the

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conversation after that I'm still trying

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to get my you know wrap my head around

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why certain areas on the planet tend to

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feature fairly consistently these types

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of light phenomena you have the Marfa

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lights of course in Texas which are in

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some ways similar you have the San Luis

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Valley where I did quite a bit of

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01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:20,540
investigating in the 90s that have

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01:27:25,410 --> 01:27:23,480
locations that seem to be the center

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point for a lot of these types of

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descriptive of Lights and entities in

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01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:33,310
some cases so how do you reconcile a

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kind of a unscientific way of describing

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something in a way that will interest a

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01:27:45,010 --> 01:27:42,800
scientist into getting more involved do

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01:27:47,979 --> 01:27:45,020
we need some real slam-dunk evidence

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01:27:50,770 --> 01:27:47,989
well I think dr. Greer came up with

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01:27:54,150 --> 01:27:50,780
something recently in the Atacama Desert

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if you look at the serious documentary

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01:28:03,220 --> 01:27:58,750
and that body that they've been studying

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is pretty compelling you really think so

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because a lot of us are skeptical of

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things that dr. Greer does you know I

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you know I've heard I've sat down with

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the producers of that movie and you know

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of course a lot of it's done just like

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we're doing it for commercial reasons

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and and getting a film out there but you

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look at that body and you have to think

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01:28:33,729 --> 01:28:31,040
maybe there's something to this and I

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can't explain it for sure I mean I'm not

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claiming that I have the answers to

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anything and I don't think I don't think

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I've ever will that keeps you out of

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trouble yeah you're a filmmaker you're

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dealing in in a controversial coinage

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01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:49,880
yeah I'm definitely not claiming to to

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01:28:53,260 --> 01:28:51,290
have a complete understanding but you

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know I take I try to absorb everything

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around me like a sponge and filter out

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01:29:03,000 --> 01:28:59,780
what seems plausible and filter out what

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01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:03,010
seems like it's just complete fantasy

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and use use the when you have a group of

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people for hundreds of years saying this

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is the creature I see standing around my

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01:29:18,060 --> 01:29:14,540
bed at night and this is the ship that

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01:29:22,630 --> 01:29:18,070
I've been on and the stories are similar

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01:29:25,690 --> 01:29:22,640
you know you gotta say to yourself maybe

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this is real well or you can say to

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01:29:32,110 --> 01:29:28,060
yourself maybe the culture is is

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self-generative and is actually creating

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01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:34,810
a meme within the culture that's

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self-perpetuating and is layering itself

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upon itself and regenerating over the

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over the generations yeah I mean if you

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believe in reincarnation which I'm not

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sure you guys do or the you know the

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01:29:56,530 --> 01:29:52,370
fact that there are extraterrestrial

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life out there you know the possibility

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that we've been visited and seeing

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is pretty likely I would would have a

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little problem with that I have a hard

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time believing anything that's evolved

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01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:09,910
out there would have any interest in

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visiting this primitive misogynist very

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dysfunctional planet called Earth I mean

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01:30:19,470 --> 01:30:18,340
that's my own personal opinion I don't

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think we're important enough for

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anything out there to come here if

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anything they come here to maybe

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maximize the potential of the ecosystem

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and the biodiversity on the planet with

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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more detailed conversation yeah UFO

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mystery and some of the unusual aspects

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of it you want me to pick up on that

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again yes sir to some ate and give you a

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kind of a cliff note version of what I

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was saying I think that there's a high

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likelihood that a lot of this stuff is

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closed system it's being self generated

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01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:42,090
by the culture when descriptions become

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a meme within the culture then they they

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have some inertia behind them and

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they're able to help perpetuate that

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particular meme my point is that I don't

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01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:55,860
think we're that important I think that

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if anything humans are detrimental to

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this wonderful by biodiversity on the

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planet and if anything we're the problem

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not the solution here at this point in

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time in this this very tenuous existence

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that humanity finds itself in with

2113
01:36:18,530 --> 01:36:14,870
Fukushima with rantin climate change

2114
01:36:20,060 --> 01:36:18,540
rampant you know pollution I just have a

2115
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:20,070
hard time thinking that we're

2116
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:21,810
important enough for anything out there

2117
01:36:26,930 --> 01:36:24,510
to come and visit us in our bedrooms and

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01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:26,940
pinnace against our ceilings I always

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01:36:34,939 --> 01:36:30,960
look at it as if the Crocodile Hunter or

2120
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:34,949
it's the same way we study dolphins in

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01:36:38,959 --> 01:36:35,610
the wild

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we'll go and capture them we'll tag them

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01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:41,159
and we'll release them either a great

2124
01:36:45,709 --> 01:36:43,260
white shark will do the same thing to

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them I think we're being studied the

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same way we study other animals I just

2127
01:36:55,300 --> 01:36:52,579
find the methodology questionable

2128
01:36:59,300 --> 01:36:55,310
there's so much absurdity and

2129
01:37:02,290 --> 01:36:59,310
nonsensical the nonsensical qualities of

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01:37:06,819 --> 01:37:02,300
many of these abduction accounts

2131
01:37:09,410 --> 01:37:06,829
obviously if it's an exalted entities

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you know would super-high-tech

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it would be very difficult for us to

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01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:12,960
figure out what their intentions are or

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what their agenda is

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01:37:21,649 --> 01:37:18,000
but there's there seems to be a veneer

2137
01:37:24,169 --> 01:37:21,659
of of just tricks Jewishness and an

2138
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:24,179
absurdity going on and I have a hard

2139
01:37:29,870 --> 01:37:28,020
time reconciling that with you know the

2140
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:29,880
types of entities that that the pop

2141
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:32,130
culture is kind of forced feeding us to

2142
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:34,050
believe in yeah I mean it definitely

2143
01:37:39,109 --> 01:37:37,679
could be a groupthink mentality where

2144
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:39,119
you get you know group of people

2145
01:37:44,209 --> 01:37:41,489
together but you know when I interview

2146
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:44,219
police officers when I interview school

2147
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:48,030
teachers when I interview very normal

2148
01:37:53,870 --> 01:37:51,090
people who have terrifying stories and

2149
01:37:57,169 --> 01:37:53,880
their lives have been changed by this it

2150
01:37:59,330 --> 01:37:57,179
tends to be pretty compelling I've been

2151
01:38:01,879 --> 01:37:59,340
there and interviewed people exactly

2152
01:38:03,770 --> 01:38:01,889
like that and I'm still scratching my

2153
01:38:05,689 --> 01:38:03,780
head but I've always had a sense Mady

2154
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:05,699
that that there's a lot more going on

2155
01:38:10,459 --> 01:38:08,610
than meets the eye in this situation and

2156
01:38:15,050 --> 01:38:10,469
these scenarios is infinitely more

2157
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:15,060
complicated than a simple pat sort of

2158
01:38:20,510 --> 01:38:17,489
aliens you know tagging us and bagging

2159
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:20,520
us for some sort of agenda there's it

2160
01:38:24,589 --> 01:38:22,650
just seems to me there's something more

2161
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:24,599
complicated going on but then you know

2162
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:30,090
that's my ill-informed opinion I agree

2163
01:38:34,090 --> 01:38:31,199
with you that there's something more

2164
01:38:37,610 --> 01:38:34,100
complicated going on we might never know

2165
01:38:40,330 --> 01:38:37,620
it'll happen eventually with disclosure

2166
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:40,340
there you go that's another subject to

2167
01:38:46,460 --> 01:38:43,050
disclosure tends to be pretty

2168
01:38:48,890 --> 01:38:46,470
controversial yeah I mean the amount of

2169
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:48,900
people who are high levels of government

2170
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:52,050
coming forward and saying these things

2171
01:38:59,920 --> 01:38:56,690
exist it's it's it's pretty crazy you

2172
01:39:03,470 --> 01:38:59,930
know but acknowledging the reality of a

2173
01:39:06,740 --> 01:39:03,480
scenario is one thing coming down on one

2174
01:39:09,500 --> 01:39:06,750
side or another without providing us

2175
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:09,510
with the kind of evidence and supportive

2176
01:39:14,540 --> 01:39:11,790
data that we would need to agree with

2177
01:39:16,490 --> 01:39:14,550
their opinion you know that that's a

2178
01:39:18,290 --> 01:39:16,500
whole nother matter where do you come

2179
01:39:20,150 --> 01:39:18,300
down on the whole subject of disclosure

2180
01:39:22,850 --> 01:39:20,160
do you think the US government will ever

2181
01:39:26,270 --> 01:39:22,860
admit the extent of their knowledge

2182
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:26,280
about this subject you know Bill Clinton

2183
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:29,610
was on Jimmy Fallon the other night and

2184
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:33,090
talked about this and and you know

2185
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:35,730
repeated the words of Ronald Reagan

2186
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:38,880
which are there's one thing that would

2187
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:42,450
unite all countries and that's if we

2188
01:39:48,140 --> 01:39:46,440
were visited by an alien race to believe

2189
01:39:50,930 --> 01:39:48,150
we were being visited by an alien race

2190
01:39:53,950 --> 01:39:50,940
what a great way to manipulate you know

2191
01:39:57,050 --> 01:39:53,960
the enact you know the the possible

2192
01:39:59,930 --> 01:39:57,060
unveiling of a we are the world sort of

2193
01:40:03,580 --> 01:39:59,940
one world scenario I mean it's very easy

2194
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:03,590
to think that these UFO sightings are

2195
01:40:12,050 --> 01:40:08,820
and are propagandized by the military in

2196
01:40:14,030 --> 01:40:12,060
order for us to kind of be have our

2197
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:14,040
blinders on when it comes to things that

2198
01:40:19,580 --> 01:40:17,850
they are actually doing themselves I've

2199
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:19,590
seen that kind of sleight of hand and

2200
01:40:23,210 --> 01:40:21,210
subterfuge with my own eyes I've seen

2201
01:40:24,350 --> 01:40:23,220
conventional aircraft trotted out and

2202
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:24,360
lit up like UFOs

2203
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:28,350
yeah I've seen obvious examples of

2204
01:40:33,020 --> 01:40:30,570
conventional and possibly exotic

2205
01:40:35,090 --> 01:40:33,030
technology being utilized to make it

2206
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:35,100
appear as if something high strange is

2207
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:39,170
flying by and you know I've seen a

2208
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:42,000
perfectly visible with no clouds in the

2209
01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:46,320
sky a c-130 one blink out like it hit

2210
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:47,699
some sort of dimensional

2211
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:50,880
doorway or went into some other realm of

2212
01:40:56,510 --> 01:40:54,239
existence broad daylight clear blue sky

2213
01:40:57,050 --> 01:40:56,520
hundred power binoculars on the on the

2214
01:41:00,620 --> 01:40:57,060
plane

2215
01:41:02,660 --> 01:41:00,630
so I think we can all agree that our

2216
01:41:05,380 --> 01:41:02,670
government in the military especially in

2217
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:05,390
the aerospace companies and others have

2218
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:08,370
access and have developed technology

2219
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:11,489
that could appear to be extraterrestrial

2220
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:13,650
or high strange in nature and I'm

2221
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:16,770
wondering where does the slide of hand

2222
01:41:23,300 --> 01:41:20,730
and the programming of the innocent

2223
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:23,310
viewer and and where does the real hi

2224
01:41:29,450 --> 01:41:26,010
strange phenomenon take up from there

2225
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,460
and that that's a question that we are

2226
01:41:33,500 --> 01:41:30,960
constantly addressing here at the pair

2227
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:33,510
cast and and have somebody like you a

2228
01:41:38,900 --> 01:41:36,810
filmmaker who in my estimation is really

2229
01:41:41,180 --> 01:41:38,910
going about the entertainment side of

2230
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:41,190
this in the proper way trying to adhere

2231
01:41:47,060 --> 01:41:44,100
as closely to the facts as possible and

2232
01:41:49,340 --> 01:41:47,070
and deliver an honest reproduction of

2233
01:41:51,919 --> 01:41:49,350
what people are telling you in terms of

2234
01:41:54,830 --> 01:41:51,929
your research and and this is really

2235
01:41:57,470 --> 01:41:54,840
refreshing you Tracy Torme James Fox who

2236
01:41:59,930 --> 01:41:57,480
we had on last week and others are I

2237
01:42:03,740 --> 01:41:59,940
think are the the hope for this field in

2238
01:42:06,140 --> 01:42:03,750
terms of where the field dives into the

2239
01:42:08,419 --> 01:42:06,150
realm of entertainment and you know

2240
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:08,429
kudos to you I can't wait actually to

2241
01:42:12,620 --> 01:42:11,010
see the film you've really got my my

2242
01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:12,630
excitement level up a little bit here

2243
01:42:25,180 --> 01:42:16,440
and I got a couple of screenplays I'd

2244
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:25,190
like to bounce off yet I appreciate the

2245
01:42:31,070 --> 01:42:28,410
the praise I mean this is my first film

2246
01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:31,080
and and my first directorial debut yeah

2247
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:33,780
congratulations too by the way thank you

2248
01:42:38,900 --> 01:42:36,210
so much it's just been terrific do he

2249
01:42:42,110 --> 01:42:38,910
shows like this and and coast of coast

2250
01:42:44,050 --> 01:42:42,120
and and really really finding this

2251
01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:44,060
community who are open-minded and and

2252
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:47,750
open to the things that might not be

2253
01:42:53,450 --> 01:42:50,460
directly in front of us you know looking

2254
01:42:57,970 --> 01:42:53,460
looking underneath the veil well any

2255
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:57,980
film that's done I think in a way that's

2256
01:43:04,090 --> 01:43:00,560
more believable than m9

2257
01:43:07,090 --> 01:43:04,100
challon's films signs which had had has

2258
01:43:08,710 --> 01:43:07,100
to be on near the top of my worst films

2259
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:08,720
of all time dealing with these subject

2260
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:12,530
matters anything that is taking this

2261
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:16,400
thing a step beyond the your typical

2262
01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:19,610
sort of Hollywood sensationalism and and

2263
01:43:22,900 --> 01:43:21,380
and really attempting to tell a story

2264
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:22,910
obviously that's what you know

2265
01:43:28,150 --> 01:43:25,250
Hollywood's all about but doing it in a

2266
01:43:29,950 --> 01:43:28,160
way that is as close you know to the

2267
01:43:32,170 --> 01:43:29,960
actual facts and to the people's

2268
01:43:33,940 --> 01:43:32,180
experiences as possible and that's rare

2269
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:33,950
and I think that's a really important

2270
01:43:38,890 --> 01:43:36,290
step that you're helping us take in the

2271
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:38,900
right direction well thank you so much I

2272
01:43:43,870 --> 01:43:41,690
appreciate that well now that you've

2273
01:43:49,470 --> 01:43:43,880
bought heard him up Chris I guess you're

2274
01:43:56,710 --> 01:43:52,330
with my son so I mean if we're gonna go

2275
01:43:59,500 --> 01:43:56,720
for that hey I've got an award-winning

2276
01:44:01,530 --> 01:43:59,510
screenplay okay I'm glad you think that

2277
01:44:04,650 --> 01:44:01,540
I'm powerful enough to help you guys

2278
01:44:07,230 --> 01:44:04,660
that's flattering

2279
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:07,240
well with some of the help that you've

2280
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:10,010
gotten for this film you're doing

2281
01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:11,840
something right there guy I guess so you

2282
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:14,750
know I'm just I guess I'm just lucky I

2283
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:17,840
think I just have had some good friends

2284
01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:19,370
that have helped me out and that's what

2285
01:44:23,170 --> 01:44:21,110
it comes down to when making a movie

2286
01:44:26,740 --> 01:44:23,180
it's relying on people who you trust I

2287
01:44:29,140 --> 01:44:26,750
mean my wife's my producing partner and

2288
01:44:31,450 --> 01:44:29,150
we just work really hard I think a lot

2289
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:31,460
of it boils down many division in having

2290
01:44:38,110 --> 01:44:36,080
that enthusiasm and in that that just

2291
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:38,120
believability in the project that that

2292
01:44:41,770 --> 01:44:40,250
that you can communicate to people that

2293
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:41,780
can help you make things happen I mean

2294
01:44:46,450 --> 01:44:44,090
that's you got to have that if you don't

2295
01:44:48,340 --> 01:44:46,460
believe in what you're doing it's very

2296
01:44:50,590 --> 01:44:48,350
difficult to get somebody else and or a

2297
01:44:52,900 --> 01:44:50,600
team to get on board with it yeah

2298
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:52,910
passion is what really drives it when I

2299
01:44:57,550 --> 01:44:55,130
when I sat in the room talking to

2300
01:44:59,440 --> 01:44:57,560
Lawrence bender and I told him my

2301
01:45:01,630 --> 01:44:59,450
passion for this project and my

2302
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:01,640
understanding of it you know that was

2303
01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:03,410
convincing enough to get him to come on

2304
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:05,840
board oh well maybe what we need to do

2305
01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:09,110
is sit with Madi and go over with him

2306
01:45:14,079 --> 01:45:12,710
his various techniques for doing a pitch

2307
01:45:16,750 --> 01:45:14,089
in Hollywood

2308
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:16,760
we're on board right now with Mattie

2309
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:18,800
Beckerman joining gene and Chris you're

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2370
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Steinberg the perfect segue guys right

2371
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:04,000
you see what sometimes when I'm not

2372
01:48:10,410 --> 01:48:07,330
suffering from the Creator wiles I am

2373
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:10,420
this week I can do it alien abduction

2374
01:48:16,380 --> 01:48:13,930
film by Madi Beckerman and you were

2375
01:48:18,690 --> 01:48:16,390
telling us I guess how we were able to

2376
01:48:19,710 --> 01:48:18,700
sell the concept the pitch meetings got

2377
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:19,720
be the most frightening thing in

2378
01:48:24,210 --> 01:48:22,690
Hollywood doing lunch man there's so

2379
01:48:25,650 --> 01:48:24,220
many frightening moments in Hollywood

2380
01:48:29,780 --> 01:48:25,660
you're putting yourself out there

2381
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:29,790
creatively in any way is a daunting task

2382
01:48:34,530 --> 01:48:33,250
any time you know you're sitting in

2383
01:48:37,170 --> 01:48:34,540
front of people

2384
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:37,180
who can control your fate and trying to

2385
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:39,370
get them to come on board with your

2386
01:48:45,740 --> 01:48:42,850
concept it's nerve-racking right I I

2387
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:45,750
spent a lot of time getting rejections

2388
01:48:54,540 --> 01:48:50,970
but you know once you get accepted it's

2389
01:48:57,450 --> 01:48:54,550
so worth it yeah getting a toehold is

2390
01:49:03,570 --> 01:48:57,460
really important yeah totally also

2391
01:49:05,130 --> 01:49:03,580
having brass cojones - yeah that's a big

2392
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:05,140
part of its being able to get rejected

2393
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:07,360
and dust yourself back off and get up

2394
01:49:12,270 --> 01:49:10,090
again and fight and that's telling

2395
01:49:16,020 --> 01:49:12,280
yourself that you can still do it

2396
01:49:19,890 --> 01:49:16,030
regardless of being rejected right you

2397
01:49:22,860 --> 01:49:19,900
know again we've we just had two

2398
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:22,870
filmmakers on last week so we did get

2399
01:49:27,300 --> 01:49:25,090
some some pretty targeted questions for

2400
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:27,310
you Matty but one comment here from a

2401
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:28,570
new poster at four

2402
01:49:36,420 --> 01:49:33,040
dr. Peric ascom from Bob in DC who has

2403
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:36,430
given us his 8 foreign posting with this

2404
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:38,650
particular insight you've got to feel

2405
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:42,370
lucky man yeah yeah you're you're kind

2406
01:49:46,620 --> 01:49:44,250
of drawn some of our lurkers out of the

2407
01:49:49,170 --> 01:49:46,630
out of the pile here which is great

2408
01:49:50,430 --> 01:49:49,180
welcome lurkers I'm happy yeah well

2409
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:50,440
that's a good thing we do have a big

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audience and and we have a very active

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forum at forum dr. podcast calm so you

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know all you listeners out there that

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are kind of wondering whether you want

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to get involved this is this is your

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chance we have a threat on our on our

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forums to pose questions for our guests

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and Maddie bobbin DC is wondering do you

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01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:11,260
think that sensationalist purely

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entertainment films are a good way to

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01:50:17,540 --> 01:50:14,710
get people interested in the paranormal

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01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:17,550
and to ultimately take it seriously I

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01:50:22,020 --> 01:50:19,630
started listening to the podcast in

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01:50:23,460 --> 01:50:22,030
hopes of hearing scary stories but I was

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01:50:25,620 --> 01:50:23,470
introduced to a culture of people

2425
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:25,630
seriously researching unexplained

2426
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phenomena yeah I feel the same way I

2427
01:50:34,740 --> 01:50:32,370
mean I came into making this movie a

2428
01:50:36,990 --> 01:50:34,750
skeptic kind of outside of it I made

2429
01:50:41,790 --> 01:50:37,000
this film really for pure entertainment

2430
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:41,800
value but then as I researched and I got

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01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:44,850
into this and started talking to people

2432
01:50:52,170 --> 01:50:48,310
like you know this show and and the

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01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:52,180
listeners of it I changed my perspective

2434
01:50:58,680 --> 01:50:55,450
completely and I think that will happen

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01:51:01,500 --> 01:50:58,690
to many people who you know watch films

2436
01:51:02,970 --> 01:51:01,510
like this and then start digging in

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01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:02,980
under the surface and finding out

2438
01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:05,770
because this movie is based on a real

2439
01:51:11,010 --> 01:51:07,390
phenomenon something that actually

2440
01:51:13,650 --> 01:51:11,020
happens there's a chance to convert

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01:51:16,050 --> 01:51:13,660
people into understanding that there

2442
01:51:18,210 --> 01:51:16,060
might be paranormal aspects of things

2443
01:51:21,420 --> 01:51:18,220
now one of the things of course it

2444
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:21,430
bothers us and this is why we mentioned

2445
01:51:25,170 --> 01:51:23,290
the guests we had last week James Fox

2446
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:25,180
and Tracy Torme

2447
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:27,850
as you may or may not know Maddie James

2448
01:51:35,970 --> 01:51:31,690
Fox did a couple of documentaries on

2449
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:35,980
UFOs primarily shown on TV and he got

2450
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:37,920
involved in a reality show called

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01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:43,620
and was extremely upset because of the

2452
01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:46,090
fact that he got extremely upset with

2453
01:51:51,630 --> 01:51:49,270
chasing UFOs because the producers for

2454
01:51:53,940 --> 01:51:51,640
the History Channel took extreme

2455
01:51:57,420 --> 01:51:53,950
liberties with the facts they take a

2456
01:51:59,790 --> 01:51:57,430
basic case and they try to make it into

2457
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:59,800
a little bit of a paranormal activity

2458
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:02,080
mean we understand you're a sci-fi film

2459
01:52:08,220 --> 01:52:04,300
director here you don't expect this to

2460
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:08,230
be factual that you base it on factual

2461
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:11,050
events and legends is very important

2462
01:52:15,210 --> 01:52:12,450
because that doesn't happen very often

2463
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:15,220
but what do you think about the

2464
01:52:21,570 --> 01:52:17,890
treatment of this subject on so-called

2465
01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:21,580
reality TV I mean they're trying to sell

2466
01:52:27,620 --> 01:52:25,000
advertising and and that's the

2467
01:52:30,780 --> 01:52:27,630
difference between film and television

2468
01:52:34,260 --> 01:52:30,790
or between advertising yeah I'm not

2469
01:52:36,990 --> 01:52:34,270
beholden to any advertiser on you know

2470
01:52:41,550 --> 01:52:37,000
there's no branding that I have to

2471
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:41,560
adhere to and you know movies you're

2472
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:44,280
able to get a little bit more real and

2473
01:52:49,230 --> 01:52:46,960
yeah maybe I should do a documentary on

2474
01:52:52,140 --> 01:52:49,240
these things I mean because in that

2475
01:52:55,770 --> 01:52:52,150
documentary space you're really just

2476
01:52:59,190 --> 01:52:55,780
going for truth the movie alien

2477
01:53:02,910 --> 01:52:59,200
abduction is it science fiction I mean

2478
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:02,920
the fiction of it's there it is a fun

2479
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:06,730
film but it does have you know that

2480
01:53:11,370 --> 01:53:10,270
reality basis and I think you know when

2481
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,380
you're dealing with television and

2482
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:13,360
they're manipulating things a little too

2483
01:53:18,690 --> 01:53:16,000
much it's just a medium that you're

2484
01:53:20,460 --> 01:53:18,700
telling the story through unfortunately

2485
01:53:24,330 --> 01:53:20,470
what bothers me about TV is sometimes

2486
01:53:27,630 --> 01:53:24,340
they manipulate that in terms of the

2487
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:27,640
cable news shows where the presentation

2488
01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:30,010
of facts the presentation of the

2489
01:53:34,590 --> 01:53:32,530
comments is often manipulated to express

2490
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:34,600
a point of view but we can deal with

2491
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:36,790
that some other type of I agree with you

2492
01:53:43,620 --> 01:53:39,610
wholeheartedly I mean you watch a story

2493
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:43,630
on CNN or Fox News and the manipulation

2494
01:53:50,610 --> 01:53:48,400
of what the facts are is blatant I see a

2495
01:53:53,730 --> 01:53:50,620
time and time and time again I'm so glad

2496
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:53,740
you said that yeah it's just just a

2497
01:53:58,530 --> 01:53:55,840
bunch of bull

2498
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:58,540
I I mean I I can't I can barely watch

2499
01:54:01,950 --> 01:53:59,440
the news anymore

2500
01:54:02,670 --> 01:54:01,960
hearing the manipulation of stories

2501
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:02,680
these days

2502
01:54:08,820 --> 01:54:06,370
yeah well that leads me to a question

2503
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:08,830
here now that the very title alien

2504
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:11,530
abduction now I would bet that that was

2505
01:54:18,300 --> 01:54:13,570
not your first choice for a title and if

2506
01:54:20,790 --> 01:54:18,310
not what sort of process occurred to

2507
01:54:23,310 --> 01:54:20,800
come up with a title that's that could

2508
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:23,320
be very divisive I mean the very title

2509
01:54:30,030 --> 01:54:26,800
alone would turn off a sizable you know

2510
01:54:32,490 --> 01:54:30,040
potential portion of an audience yeah

2511
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:32,500
you know initially the we were calling

2512
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:34,320
the movie project Bluebook

2513
01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:38,050
in order to kind of tap into that side

2514
01:54:44,910 --> 01:54:41,740
of things and you know unfortunately you

2515
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:44,920
and I know a project Bluebook is but the

2516
01:54:51,450 --> 01:54:48,400
general public does not so you know the

2517
01:54:54,510 --> 01:54:51,460
folks at IFC and I made a decision to

2518
01:54:56,100 --> 01:54:54,520
call it alien abduction and and you know

2519
01:54:58,920 --> 01:54:56,110
it's more from a marketing perspective

2520
01:55:01,470 --> 01:54:58,930
to kind of get that initial shock value

2521
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:01,480
for people to kind of step in and watch

2522
01:55:07,590 --> 01:55:04,900
it and you know it's not my first choice

2523
01:55:09,630 --> 01:55:07,600
but I'm happy with the decision because

2524
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:09,640
I think it definitely helps people to

2525
01:55:13,890 --> 01:55:11,890
pick up the film saying I'm gonna watch

2526
01:55:15,330 --> 01:55:13,900
this just for fun of it and then being

2527
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:15,340
converted and say oh my god this is a

2528
01:55:21,090 --> 01:55:18,970
good movie okay well certainly the title

2529
01:55:24,660 --> 01:55:21,100
is obvious I mean the title implies

2530
01:55:27,870 --> 01:55:24,670
everything about the film and sums it

2531
01:55:30,780 --> 01:55:27,880
all up now obviously the most important

2532
01:55:34,350 --> 01:55:30,790
thing about a film in addition of course

2533
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:34,360
to the writing direction all the

2534
01:55:39,900 --> 01:55:37,210
technical stuff the cinematography the

2535
01:55:42,060 --> 01:55:39,910
special effects is the selection of the

2536
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:42,070
people playing the roles maybe you can

2537
01:55:45,300 --> 01:55:44,110
tell us about the performers that we

2538
01:55:46,650 --> 01:55:45,310
could start here we've got a couple of

2539
01:55:49,170 --> 01:55:46,660
minutes left in the second they can go

2540
01:55:52,350 --> 01:55:49,180
on with the next segment but now if you

2541
01:55:55,890 --> 01:55:52,360
have this story ready to go you've got

2542
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:55,900
to pick the actors what choices do you

2543
01:56:04,710 --> 01:56:00,400
make we had a fantastic casting director

2544
01:56:06,740 --> 01:56:04,720
Kelly Wagner and dominica and I always

2545
01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:06,750
mess up her last name

2546
01:56:12,860 --> 01:56:09,840
casera and that's it they were amazing

2547
01:56:13,220 --> 01:56:12,870
and they cast all types of movies all

2548
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:13,230
the time

2549
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:17,130
so when it came to making decisions on

2550
01:56:22,910 --> 01:56:19,530
the cast I saw you know hundreds of

2551
01:56:26,300 --> 01:56:22,920
people for each role and the biggest

2552
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:26,310
thing for me was were they authentic

2553
01:56:33,050 --> 01:56:28,770
could they ad-lib on the spot because

2554
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:33,060
the script we did you know we wrote the

2555
01:56:39,380 --> 01:56:37,230
script and didn't adhere to it at all

2556
01:56:42,110 --> 01:56:39,390
well those scenes we shot almost all of

2557
01:56:45,530 --> 01:56:42,120
its ad-libbed and I let the characters

2558
01:56:48,550 --> 01:56:45,540
kind of find their own voice and and and

2559
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:48,560
speak from who they thought they were

2560
01:56:54,350 --> 01:56:51,570
yeah that's so cool because it can be so

2561
01:56:56,570 --> 01:56:54,360
much more believable so therefore you

2562
01:56:58,520 --> 01:56:56,580
must want to be like Woody Allen doesn't

2563
01:57:02,080 --> 01:56:58,530
Woody Allen do a lot of that where he

2564
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:02,090
expects his actors to kind of be a

2565
01:57:08,030 --> 01:57:05,760
extemporaneous to improvise around the

2566
01:57:09,890 --> 01:57:08,040
scene while it's being filmed and then

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he picks whatever the best combination

2568
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:11,520
is I want to ask you more about that and

2569
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:13,530
we'll get into things like the

2570
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performers and how you selected them

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once the casting director sent him your

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here so you have to have actors who can

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improvise and that a lot of the things

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you did here in making the film were

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improvised yeah I mean when you're doing

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know I did take cues from Woody Allen I

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did listen to I did watch his

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documentary and then and listen to kind

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of his style and he says in that in that

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documentary says what's written on the

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page doesn't matter as long as you get

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from A to B and the point is told

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however you feel like saying the words

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whatever naturally comes out of your

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mouth is better than what's actually

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written on the page and I adhere to that

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I love that style I would have the cast

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02:02:57,760 --> 02:02:55,520
go off and riff for hours and we'd film

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all that and most of that is what we

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02:03:04,120 --> 02:03:00,739
actually cut into the film as long as we

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got you know the general gist of the

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conversations they were supposed to get

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- a lot of stuff was ad-libbed and

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off-the-cuff I love doing it that way it

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feels real it feels authentic it feels

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like you're watching a real situation

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rather than write you're telling the

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story yeah the story comes through that

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way and the actors get to explore who

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their characters really are and and

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really feel that and actually the way I

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did it with the alien itself was the

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actors never saw the creature until we

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were on set that day and the scene

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happened so their reactions to it are

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02:03:48,040 --> 02:03:45,800
real I mean these things are freaky so

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02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:48,050
we really got those true terror

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find kind of freaked out moments that's

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02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:53,300
an interesting question here so when you

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brought the alien on the set were they

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scared any of them they didn't see it

2710
02:04:05,229 --> 02:04:02,500
until we were actually shooting and yes

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what's freaky they were scared

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02:04:11,140 --> 02:04:07,820
Brown Mountain moments and people's

2713
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short especially kids yeah I mean there

2714
02:04:16,689 --> 02:04:13,849
are there are some definitely jump out

2715
02:04:20,319 --> 02:04:16,699
of your your seat moments throughout the

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02:04:24,220 --> 02:04:20,329
film and you know I credit that to just

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02:04:26,379 --> 02:04:24,230
great actors we had and and really

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willing to go the distance and and the

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02:04:30,299 --> 02:04:28,489
coal crew we had the best time making

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this movie let me tell you it was like

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summer camp for adults we were we were

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just you know loving it in the mountains

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of North Carolina all of us together as

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02:04:44,439 --> 02:04:41,719
a group striving to create this this

2725
02:04:46,089 --> 02:04:44,449
film so much fun and I think it shined

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02:04:48,760 --> 02:04:46,099
through in the movie we made - I'm

2727
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:48,770
really really happy with the final

2728
02:04:54,220 --> 02:04:51,650
results of everything cool so do you

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02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:54,230
have any projects that this is inspiring

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02:04:58,660 --> 02:04:56,570
you to consider are you gonna continue

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02:05:02,229 --> 02:04:58,670
in this particular genre or are you

2732
02:05:04,359 --> 02:05:02,239
gonna possibly revisit this other than

2733
02:05:08,709 --> 02:05:04,369
you know you mentioned a possible sequel

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02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:08,719
or follow-up to it yeah what other ideas

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02:05:14,100 --> 02:05:11,119
do you have cooking on the on the back

2736
02:05:17,950 --> 02:05:14,110
burner now well I just finished a script

2737
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:17,960
last week and it's called ghost

2738
02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:21,440
detectives and it's about a group of 11

2739
02:05:27,399 --> 02:05:24,290
12 13 year old kids who get video

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02:05:30,669 --> 02:05:27,409
cameras and form a club at school to try

2741
02:05:32,859 --> 02:05:30,679
and capture ghosts and and it's and its

2742
02:05:34,839 --> 02:05:32,869
really really a fun you know

2743
02:05:36,609 --> 02:05:34,849
goodnight almost like Goonies yeah I was

2744
02:05:40,109 --> 02:05:36,619
gonna say Goonies go to a haunted house

2745
02:05:42,729 --> 02:05:40,119
got it and it's it's a really just fun

2746
02:05:44,890 --> 02:05:42,739
good-natured project

2747
02:05:48,370 --> 02:05:44,900
I like making movies like that because I

2748
02:05:50,580 --> 02:05:48,380
think you know our movie does not have

2749
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:50,590
gore does not have blood it

2750
02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:52,010
alien-abduction

2751
02:06:01,240 --> 02:05:57,250
doesn't have it's more trying to be

2752
02:06:01,990 --> 02:06:01,250
Hitchcock Yeah right yes rather than Eli

2753
02:06:04,810 --> 02:06:02,000
Roth

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02:06:07,870 --> 02:06:04,820
in people's arms off and you know we

2755
02:06:10,630 --> 02:06:07,880
it's more suggestive it's more I think

2756
02:06:13,900 --> 02:06:10,640
it's more mental when you get them to

2757
02:06:16,200 --> 02:06:13,910
things like that so realer

2758
02:06:18,940 --> 02:06:16,210
yeah psychological it's exactly that

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02:06:21,370 --> 02:06:18,950
what you hear some party you don't they

2760
02:06:24,070 --> 02:06:21,380
say you know you're talking Goonies go

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02:06:26,110 --> 02:06:24,080
ghost hunting you know what they say in

2762
02:06:30,670 --> 02:06:26,120
Hollywood is stay away from kids and

2763
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:30,680
animals I've heard that so many times

2764
02:06:36,670 --> 02:06:34,400
and probably fines are easier to handle

2765
02:06:40,630 --> 02:06:36,680
than some of the adult prima donnas out

2766
02:06:43,660 --> 02:06:40,640
there I would imagine yeah my my working

2767
02:06:45,190 --> 02:06:43,670
with our 11 year old onset was great he

2768
02:06:45,670 --> 02:06:45,200
was one of the best actors I've ever

2769
02:06:49,240 --> 02:06:45,680
dealt with

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02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:49,250
and and I had such a good experience

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02:06:54,580 --> 02:06:51,770
working with him but I'm happy to do it

2772
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:54,590
again does he Bob become an actor he is

2773
02:06:58,120 --> 02:06:57,650
I mean he's he's doing it he's making it

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02:07:03,010 --> 02:06:58,130
happen

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02:07:06,820 --> 02:07:03,020
so I'm happy too happy to work with with

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02:07:09,130 --> 02:07:06,830
talented talented kids that's great well

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02:07:11,620 --> 02:07:09,140
you never know here he may be the rich

2778
02:07:14,380 --> 02:07:11,630
person in the family in a few years it

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02:07:16,300 --> 02:07:14,390
happens what happens a lot hopefully

2780
02:07:18,700 --> 02:07:16,310
they maintain their sanity any of these

2781
02:07:23,650 --> 02:07:18,710
child actor horror stories that you hear

2782
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:23,660
they come down the pike after that you

2783
02:07:29,620 --> 02:07:25,610
know I feel bad for a lot of these kids

2784
02:07:33,130 --> 02:07:29,630
who have these warped childhoods well

2785
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:33,140
like the late Mickey Rooney there you go

2786
02:07:37,090 --> 02:07:35,450
but the guy hung out till is the 90s

2787
02:07:38,890 --> 02:07:37,100
that's amazing let's go into the other

2788
02:07:40,660 --> 02:07:38,900
performers could you talk briefly about

2789
02:07:44,830 --> 02:07:40,670
the other actors in their backgrounds

2790
02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:44,840
yes a Peter Holden was that played the

2791
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father and he was in movies like The

2792
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Social Network The Dark Knight he's been

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in a lot of you know large films he has

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you know just this great kind of way of

2795
02:08:03,340 --> 02:08:00,830
ad-libbing throughout his characters and

2796
02:08:07,660 --> 02:08:03,350
then Corey eyed who plays the older

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brother he's on raising Hope which is on

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Fox and he he's also he was also in

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behind the candelabra

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then Gillian Claire who plays the

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daughter was on a major soap opera god I

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can't remember the name of it but I'll

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figure it out

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the and she's also on a bunch of web

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series one called acting dead right now

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and Jillian was on Days of Our Lives

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it's just googling that as we're talking

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and you know Jeff Bowser who plays our

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our kind of local redneck hillbilly guy

2810
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he stayed in character throughout the

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entire shoot

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02:09:01,690 --> 02:08:57,560
oh yeah it was amazing so I actually

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knew him more as that character Shaun

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the claim that I did him as the actual

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actor they're gonna be a little

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disconcerting at the at the you know the

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the cast party at the end of the shoot

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let's try going through an airport with

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him he was definitely I don't know about

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airports but I understand they now try

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to strip-search two-year-old kids it's

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getting crazy out there

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Jesus yeah it would take knitting

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needles away from grandmas because they

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think they're gonna knit an Afghan well

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they think the grandmas putting on

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makeup she's really a twenty year old

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woman underneath or maybe they think

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it's like the movie Total Recall the

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original with Arnold Schwarzenegger

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where he wears this woman costume

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landing on Mars to escape customs right

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net malfunctions and malfunctions while

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there and he says weeks do we and then

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he starts becoming Arnold sitting inside

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thumbs anyway I mean I love that oh it

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was the remake unfortunately I think was

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a disaster anyway we have alien

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abduction the director is Matty

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[Music]

2938
02:14:53,130 --> 02:14:47,250
during this reading and this meaning to

2939
02:14:56,640 --> 02:14:53,140
the paragraph we're discussing the caste

2940
02:14:58,350 --> 02:14:56,650
of Maddie Beckerman alien-abduction how

2941
02:15:00,030 --> 02:14:58,360
he chose the people to play in it

2942
02:15:02,580 --> 02:15:00,040
not just because they could improvise

2943
02:15:05,340 --> 02:15:02,590
but because they bring the right kind of

2944
02:15:07,650 --> 02:15:05,350
presence to every role let's go on with

2945
02:15:11,250 --> 02:15:07,660
some of the other performers so Katy

2946
02:15:12,840 --> 02:15:11,260
Sigismund who plays a mother she was in

2947
02:15:15,290 --> 02:15:12,850
Transformers Dark Side of the Moon

2948
02:15:18,930 --> 02:15:15,300
Taking of Pelham one two three

2949
02:15:21,300 --> 02:15:18,940
NCIS closer medium it should just been

2950
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:21,310
on tons of TV shows so and all of these

2951
02:15:28,650 --> 02:15:24,490
actors who we have in the film all of

2952
02:15:31,620 --> 02:15:28,660
them are terrific talents but you might

2953
02:15:35,220 --> 02:15:31,630
not recognize them as leads which is why

2954
02:15:38,190 --> 02:15:35,230
they lend themselves to this specific

2955
02:15:40,980 --> 02:15:38,200
type of found footage film you don't

2956
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:40,990
want people who are rock scene in the

2957
02:15:46,770 --> 02:15:43,690
movie who oh that's millio kovitch

2958
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:46,780
that's whomsoever yeah yeah exactly

2959
02:15:52,680 --> 02:15:50,290
that's what keeps the authenticity real

2960
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:52,690
but when you have actors with credits of

2961
02:15:58,830 --> 02:15:54,970
that nature you can't pay them the big

2962
02:16:04,140 --> 02:15:58,840
bucks yeah I mean it's um yeah that's a

2963
02:16:07,380 --> 02:16:04,150
also applause is is we are doing this on

2964
02:16:10,590 --> 02:16:07,390
a budget in the movie is being made for

2965
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:10,600
a pittance compared our movie is

2966
02:16:16,830 --> 02:16:13,810
probably shot the entire thing is what

2967
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:16,840
it cost an hour to shoot on a set of

2968
02:16:22,080 --> 02:16:20,170
avatar you know I mean we for one of Jim

2969
02:16:24,810 --> 02:16:22,090
Kim and special effects we shot this

2970
02:16:27,570 --> 02:16:24,820
film well actually probably less than

2971
02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:27,580
one yes considering what they spend on

2972
02:16:33,209 --> 02:16:30,970
those movies yeah you know I mean I was

2973
02:16:35,580 --> 02:16:33,219
always under the impression you know

2974
02:16:39,750 --> 02:16:35,590
cost the same amount of money to go to a

2975
02:16:42,750 --> 02:16:39,760
movie theater to see transformers which

2976
02:16:46,290 --> 02:16:42,760
cost 200 million as it does to see

2977
02:16:47,940 --> 02:16:46,300
Paranormal Activity which cost $15,000

2978
02:16:50,940 --> 02:16:47,950
to make so it's the same ticket price

2979
02:16:54,390 --> 02:16:50,950
you say that amount again

2980
02:16:56,820 --> 02:16:54,400
fifteen thousand dollars what that's how

2981
02:17:00,660 --> 02:16:56,830
much the first movie cost to me my my

2982
02:17:03,300 --> 02:17:00,670
friend Oren Peli directed it and created

2983
02:17:07,050 --> 02:17:03,310
that and he did that outside of the

2984
02:17:08,370 --> 02:17:07,060
studio system on his own and made that

2985
02:17:10,260 --> 02:17:08,380
and then it took him a long time to

2986
02:17:14,040 --> 02:17:10,270
fight and get that film released and no

2987
02:17:16,860 --> 02:17:14,050
one would take it and eventually jason

2988
02:17:20,459 --> 02:17:16,870
blum got behind it who's also a friend

2989
02:17:22,110 --> 02:17:20,469
of mine and and Jason really backed them

2990
02:17:24,120 --> 02:17:22,120
up and got it released by Paramount and

2991
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:24,130
made everything happen and then you know

2992
02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:26,290
it's the billion dollar plus franchise

2993
02:17:28,890 --> 02:17:28,210
it is today based on just the great

2994
02:17:30,810 --> 02:17:28,900
concept

2995
02:17:32,970 --> 02:17:30,820
yeah and that's the thing about movies

2996
02:17:35,600 --> 02:17:32,980
right now it's so exciting to me yeah

2997
02:17:38,430 --> 02:17:35,610
it's it's wide open Blair which really

2998
02:17:41,220 --> 02:17:38,440
put put you know this whole potential

2999
02:17:45,780 --> 02:17:41,230
scenario on the map I mean those kinds

3000
02:17:47,880 --> 02:17:45,790
of returns I I'm sure there's a lot of

3001
02:17:49,500 --> 02:17:47,890
people just wetted their appetite and

3002
02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:49,510
they're licking their chops in Hollywood

3003
02:17:56,430 --> 02:17:53,410
yeah I mean Blair Witch was made for a

3004
02:17:58,200 --> 02:17:56,440
hundred and fifty thousand dollars you

3005
02:18:01,260 --> 02:17:58,210
talk about a 300 million dollar

3006
02:18:03,209 --> 02:18:01,270
worldwide box-office and that that

3007
02:18:05,880 --> 02:18:03,219
returns better than any film you could

3008
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:05,890
possibly do yeah I think it's up there

3009
02:18:10,770 --> 02:18:09,040
it's up there in the dot yeah it's one

3010
02:18:13,860 --> 02:18:10,780
of the highest-grossing just because of

3011
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:13,870
the cost that went into it first the the

3012
02:18:18,110 --> 02:18:16,510
actual amount of money they made they

3013
02:18:20,430 --> 02:18:18,120
didn't spend a lot in order to get a lot

3014
02:18:22,020 --> 02:18:20,440
well I think they originally only spent

3015
02:18:23,670 --> 02:18:22,030
they spent less than fifty thousand I

3016
02:18:26,010 --> 02:18:23,680
think on the original principle shooting

3017
02:18:29,430 --> 02:18:26,020
your Ryan then they went in and added

3018
02:18:32,820 --> 02:18:29,440
more - uh you know - because they saw

3019
02:18:34,620 --> 02:18:32,830
the potential of it yes I I'm not a big

3020
02:18:36,990 --> 02:18:34,630
fan of the Cloverfield

3021
02:18:41,700 --> 02:18:37,000
you know the jerky camera stuff a lot of

3022
02:18:44,490 --> 02:18:41,710
us you know 40 plus generation 50 plus

3023
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:44,500
generation have a hard time dealing with

3024
02:18:49,800 --> 02:18:47,920
that kind of style of cinematography

3025
02:18:51,810 --> 02:18:49,810
with it with the shaky jerky camera

3026
02:18:55,230 --> 02:18:51,820
Cloverfield literally made people sick

3027
02:18:57,480 --> 02:18:55,240
in the theater I heard yeah this is true

3028
02:18:59,010 --> 02:18:57,490
I mean we tried to limit that as much as

3029
02:19:00,180 --> 02:18:59,020
possible in the movie but you can't get

3030
02:19:02,490 --> 02:19:00,190
away from it when you're doing a

3031
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:02,500
handheld camera clip shoot well

3032
02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:03,889
especially with an 11-year old

3033
02:19:08,219 --> 02:19:06,649
camerman yeah yeah I mean there are

3034
02:19:11,469 --> 02:19:08,229
definitely some shots in the movie like

3035
02:19:13,059 --> 02:19:11,479
it's a little too good-looking well

3036
02:19:15,459 --> 02:19:13,069
speaking of too good-looking what do you

3037
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,469
think about this potential you know

3038
02:19:21,939 --> 02:19:17,679
there's kind of a murmur and a buzz that

3039
02:19:23,889 --> 02:19:21,949
3d may finally start to gain a foothold

3040
02:19:26,530 --> 02:19:23,899
and start taking off would you come down

3041
02:19:29,889 --> 02:19:26,540
on the whole idea of 3d you know it's

3042
02:19:34,660 --> 02:19:29,899
just another medium for us to use as

3043
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:34,670
filmmakers I'm I'm fine with 3d I don't

3044
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:37,760
personally if I if it's up to me I'm

3045
02:19:43,719 --> 02:19:40,010
going to a movie theater I would rather

3046
02:19:47,799 --> 02:19:43,729
see the 2d version just because I wear

3047
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:47,809
glasses I have an astigmatism and at the

3048
02:19:55,090 --> 02:19:50,810
end of watching a 3d film my brain

3049
02:19:56,800 --> 02:19:55,100
starts hurting I so and I it's like too

3050
02:19:59,559 --> 02:19:56,810
much information information overload

3051
02:20:01,479 --> 02:19:59,569
but there are certain occasions that I

3052
02:20:06,429 --> 02:20:01,489
have to go do that like like going to

3053
02:20:08,590 --> 02:20:06,439
see gravity in IMAX in 3d man was in

3054
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:08,600
jealous well it was like that one of the

3055
02:20:12,910 --> 02:20:10,130
it was one of those one of those all

3056
02:20:16,870 --> 02:20:12,920
encumbering experiences that like I'm so

3057
02:20:19,389 --> 02:20:16,880
glad I got to go do incredible film yeah

3058
02:20:22,090 --> 02:20:19,399
and probably pretty expensive to make

3059
02:20:24,610 --> 02:20:22,100
with uh wood I mean the whole thing is

3060
02:20:27,460 --> 02:20:24,620
one big long series of special effect

3061
02:20:29,769 --> 02:20:27,470
shots yeah I mean the entire entire

3062
02:20:31,599 --> 02:20:29,779
thing is special effects right top to

3063
02:20:33,160 --> 02:20:31,609
bottom but the thing I should point out

3064
02:20:34,570 --> 02:20:33,170
here because they cover technology on

3065
02:20:37,269 --> 02:20:34,580
another radio show we do called the tech

3066
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:37,279
night out live although obviously you

3067
02:20:44,050 --> 02:20:40,399
still have 3d movies 3d TV has gone

3068
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:44,060
absolutely nowhere and companies who

3069
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:46,970
were building 3d TV sets are cutting

3070
02:20:51,399 --> 02:20:48,890
back because they don't really sell more

3071
02:20:54,429 --> 02:20:51,409
sets people aren't buying content they

3072
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,439
had a TV there is no content there's

3073
02:20:58,899 --> 02:20:56,479
very little content well of course you

3074
02:21:00,969 --> 02:20:58,909
have the movies that are being made but

3075
02:21:04,090 --> 02:21:00,979
there's no incentive to make any more

3076
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:04,100
content they had a channel I guess for

3077
02:21:10,780 --> 02:21:06,560
cable and satellite TV that gave up the

3078
02:21:14,769 --> 02:21:10,790
3d thing so as a home medium I don't see

3079
02:21:16,809 --> 02:21:14,779
3d coming 3d may come when they perfect

3080
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:16,819
techniques to do it without the glasses

3081
02:21:20,440 --> 02:21:18,080
because

3082
02:21:24,070 --> 02:21:20,450
are pointing out a key example here

3083
02:21:27,070 --> 02:21:24,080
where you have a stigmatism you're

3084
02:21:28,750 --> 02:21:27,080
near-sighted and I am too but I wear

3085
02:21:30,280 --> 02:21:28,760
glasses or contact lenses why wear the

3086
02:21:32,410 --> 02:21:30,290
contact lenses and I can wear the three

3087
02:21:36,309 --> 02:21:32,420
the goggles but I don't care

3088
02:21:40,780 --> 02:21:36,319
now I had a long-term review of a Vizio

3089
02:21:43,179 --> 02:21:40,790
TV set with 3d and I watch Superman the

3090
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:43,189
latest Superman movie Man of Steel in 3d

3091
02:21:46,960 --> 02:21:44,560
on it and they give you what they call

3092
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:46,970
passive glasses like the movie theater

3093
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:49,010
so they're not as heavy and they don't

3094
02:21:54,190 --> 02:21:51,680
have all this active shutter stuff and

3095
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:54,200
we watch the movie at home in 3d and my

3096
02:21:58,719 --> 02:21:57,200
wife watched it and I watched it and the

3097
02:22:01,540 --> 02:21:58,729
next time we see that movie we're going

3098
02:22:06,099 --> 02:22:01,550
to watch the 2d version I didn't see any

3099
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:06,109
advantage I saw the 3d avatar in the

3100
02:22:09,370 --> 02:22:08,090
movie theaters I thought it was pretty

3101
02:22:11,940 --> 02:22:09,380
good some of the bodies looked a little

3102
02:22:14,769 --> 02:22:11,950
chunky I thought that Sigourney Weaver

3103
02:22:17,500 --> 02:22:14,779
came across as kind of chunky not

3104
02:22:19,389 --> 02:22:17,510
because she's necessarily that way these

3105
02:22:24,370 --> 02:22:19,399
days but possibly because of the 3d

3106
02:22:26,950 --> 02:22:24,380
effect when we got the movie at home we

3107
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:26,960
watched it in 2d we never considered 3d

3108
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:28,880
and I was perfectly happy with that just

3109
02:22:33,450 --> 02:22:31,130
an observation yeah I mean you go to the

3110
02:22:35,889 --> 02:22:33,460
Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas and

3111
02:22:38,139 --> 02:22:35,899
you see the technology that they're

3112
02:22:41,559 --> 02:22:38,149
coming up with and it's super exciting I

3113
02:22:44,559 --> 02:22:41,569
mean the 3d technology where you don't

3114
02:22:47,830 --> 02:22:44,569
have to wear glasses is right in front

3115
02:22:50,740 --> 02:22:47,840
of us it's so close yeah and and once

3116
02:22:52,900 --> 02:22:50,750
that is perfected I think that's the

3117
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:52,910
game changer yeah I think panasonic has

3118
02:22:58,780 --> 02:22:57,050
a standalone 3d TV don't it yeah they

3119
02:23:01,840 --> 02:22:58,790
they're all coming out mean they're very

3120
02:23:04,179 --> 02:23:01,850
expensive at the moment but solar

3121
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:04,189
plasmas and LED TVs when they came out

3122
02:23:07,900 --> 02:23:06,050
exactly they'll drop the prices will

3123
02:23:11,830 --> 02:23:07,910
drop and become more of a consumer

3124
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:11,840
instead of a early adopter model and and

3125
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:14,330
once that happens I mean I think there's

3126
02:23:20,080 --> 02:23:16,399
a revolution there too I mean seeing a

3127
02:23:22,660 --> 02:23:20,090
movie like gravity in 3d is a must if it

3128
02:23:23,889 --> 02:23:22,670
works perfectly in 2d but you have a

3129
02:23:26,590 --> 02:23:23,899
chance to have that full

3130
02:23:28,719 --> 02:23:26,600
all-encompassing and experience you know

3131
02:23:30,849 --> 02:23:28,729
that's that's worth going to do it not

3132
02:23:32,500 --> 02:23:30,859
and I do have a plan to make a 3d movie

3133
02:23:34,929 --> 02:23:32,510
in the

3134
02:23:36,610 --> 02:23:34,939
I'd definitely like to and I have a

3135
02:23:39,880 --> 02:23:36,620
great concept for it and I'm working on

3136
02:23:43,389 --> 02:23:39,890
it right now but but again personally I

3137
02:23:45,880 --> 02:23:43,399
choose I choose to go see a movie like

3138
02:23:48,190 --> 02:23:45,890
avatar in 2d yeah me too

3139
02:23:50,170 --> 02:23:48,200
actually I do I work for a video

3140
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:50,180
production company with three Panasonic

3141
02:23:55,719 --> 02:23:53,359
3d cameras you know sometimes you just

3142
02:23:58,719 --> 02:23:55,729
want the standard you know standard way

3143
02:24:01,210 --> 02:23:58,729
to watch a film right I grew up watching

3144
02:24:04,389 --> 02:24:01,220
it that way and I think 3d will work

3145
02:24:07,179 --> 02:24:04,399
best when they get the technology

3146
02:24:08,770 --> 02:24:07,189
perfected not just released 3d because

3147
02:24:11,349 --> 02:24:08,780
one film became you mungus Lee

3148
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successful alien abduction is a film

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02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:15,649
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comm order today hi this is Don Ecker

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and you are tuned in to the para cast

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let me tell you what you're gonna hear

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stuff here that you probably won't hear

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anywhere else

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here that George Noory with Jean and

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Chris in the power cast I guess this

3263
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week is Maddy Beckerman he's a filmmaker

3264
02:29:04,980 --> 02:29:01,721
screenwriter director producer and his

3265
02:29:07,020 --> 02:29:04,990
directorial debut is alien abduction

3266
02:29:09,270 --> 02:29:07,030
it's one of those found-footage kind of

3267
02:29:11,251 --> 02:29:09,280
movies getting a lot of buzz it's

3268
02:29:14,491 --> 02:29:11,261
available for limited theatrical

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distribution and to check iTunes or your

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favorite place for a video on demand go

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and rent it I'm gonna rent it after this

3272
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I promise you

3273
02:29:27,180 --> 02:29:25,631
oh yeah and it's not a long film it's 85

3274
02:29:29,611 --> 02:29:27,190
minutes you know it's not a

3275
02:29:32,190 --> 02:29:29,621
two-and-a-half hour extravaganza it gets

3276
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:32,200
his things done now a few final

3277
02:29:37,111 --> 02:29:34,690
questions about the movie in your future

3278
02:29:40,291 --> 02:29:37,121
stuff Maddy in this film is a my get

3279
02:29:43,381 --> 02:29:40,301
killed just wondering there's no actual

3280
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:43,391
death or killings you know it's not a

3281
02:29:50,881 --> 02:29:47,530
dirty you know chop them up Gore film

3282
02:29:54,661 --> 02:29:50,891
movie how refreshing it's not it's not

3283
02:29:58,411 --> 02:29:54,671
it's not a typical you know blood filled

3284
02:30:00,031 --> 02:29:58,421
film gratuitous violence with dozen

3285
02:30:02,600 --> 02:30:00,041
people every five minutes getting

3286
02:30:05,131 --> 02:30:02,610
knocked off right yeah it's not it is

3287
02:30:09,331 --> 02:30:05,141
there are some questionable moments for

3288
02:30:13,051 --> 02:30:09,341
sure but it's more psychological than

3289
02:30:16,111 --> 02:30:13,061
straightforward you imply yes in true

3290
02:30:18,751 --> 02:30:16,121
Hitchcockian fashion absolutely I mean I

3291
02:30:21,930 --> 02:30:18,761
a huge fan of what he did with psycho

3292
02:30:23,730 --> 02:30:21,940
you don't see any gore in that film but

3293
02:30:24,331 --> 02:30:23,740
the feeling is still there it's

3294
02:30:26,821 --> 02:30:24,341
terrifying

3295
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:26,831
no well you see some blood drops in the

3296
02:30:31,321 --> 02:30:29,200
drain going down the drain that's about

3297
02:30:33,001 --> 02:30:31,331
it it's amazing what you can do with

3298
02:30:34,501 --> 02:30:33,011
blood drops in the drain

3299
02:30:36,180 --> 02:30:34,511
yeah you don't see someone's head

3300
02:30:39,171 --> 02:30:36,190
actually being cut off you don't need

3301
02:30:44,600 --> 02:30:39,181
that well that has its place but

3302
02:30:46,651 --> 02:30:44,610
generally in his historical comedies yes

3303
02:30:48,901 --> 02:30:46,661
that's the interesting thing here do you

3304
02:30:51,180 --> 02:30:48,911
have any humorous asides or moments in

3305
02:30:54,751 --> 02:30:51,190
this film actually yeah and it came from

3306
02:30:56,310 --> 02:30:54,761
a part of a story of my own family so

3307
02:30:59,281 --> 02:30:56,320
the family is in the car and they're

3308
02:31:03,290 --> 02:30:59,291
Restless and and the older brother puts

3309
02:31:06,740 --> 02:31:03,300
on a a questionable song a rap

3310
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:06,750
song and I know you guys are on the air

3311
02:31:11,090 --> 02:31:08,970
so I'm not sure how much I can say of

3312
02:31:13,340 --> 02:31:11,100
this song's title well I'll tell you why

3313
02:31:18,200 --> 02:31:13,350
it works like this the seven deadly

3314
02:31:21,070 --> 02:31:18,210
words are verboten okay so you can't say

3315
02:31:25,790 --> 02:31:21,080
the title the song is called smell yo

3316
02:31:30,980 --> 02:31:25,800
Blanc and it's about a woman who catches

3317
02:31:34,010 --> 02:31:30,990
her her boyfriend cheating on her and

3318
02:31:36,950 --> 02:31:34,020
says you know why you coming home five

3319
02:31:42,139 --> 02:31:36,960
in the morn something's going on let me

3320
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:42,149
smell your blank and wow that's that's

3321
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:46,530
quite an innovative song it's it is very

3322
02:31:52,280 --> 02:31:50,010
innovative so we actually have that song

3323
02:31:56,780 --> 02:31:52,290
in the movie where the family's in the

3324
02:32:02,179 --> 02:31:56,790
car driving and the older brother sticks

3325
02:32:04,670 --> 02:32:02,189
a sixth of song in and and the moms kind

3326
02:32:06,740 --> 02:32:04,680
of rocking out playing along with it it

3327
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:06,750
does not realize what the lyrics are and

3328
02:32:13,820 --> 02:32:11,370
then the chorus comes up and let me

3329
02:32:17,750 --> 02:32:13,830
smell your and then she's like oh my god

3330
02:32:19,490 --> 02:32:17,760
I kept like turns it off like you could

3331
02:32:21,290 --> 02:32:19,500
say you could say dick gun on the air

3332
02:32:23,000 --> 02:32:21,300
smell your dick there you go

3333
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:23,010
get me singing it - all right let's not

3334
02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:24,720
go into too much detail here it's

3335
02:32:29,170 --> 02:32:26,850
getting get too much yeah I mean trying

3336
02:32:33,020 --> 02:32:29,180
to license that song was really funny

3337
02:32:34,849 --> 02:32:33,030
sending out a license for you know my my

3338
02:32:36,710 --> 02:32:34,859
wife actually did it she called the

3339
02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:36,720
company I was like I'm looking for a

3340
02:32:44,809 --> 02:32:40,290
request for the song smell yo dick by

3341
02:32:46,610 --> 02:32:44,819
risque that was a I was really funny you

3342
02:32:50,420 --> 02:32:46,620
know right now the censoring Department

3343
02:32:53,179 --> 02:32:50,430
of GCN is listening closely let us walk

3344
02:32:55,940 --> 02:32:53,189
away from this yes because I have a

3345
02:32:58,429 --> 02:32:55,950
feeling that the 11 year old is more

3346
02:33:00,380 --> 02:32:58,439
aware of this stuff than the 28 year old

3347
02:33:02,750 --> 02:33:00,390
or the 32 year wait a minute gene you

3348
02:33:04,400 --> 02:33:02,760
just gave the the you know the warning

3349
02:33:05,000 --> 02:33:04,410
of the seven deadly words and that ain't

3350
02:33:07,250 --> 02:33:05,010
one of them

3351
02:33:09,290 --> 02:33:07,260
no it's not but it's on the edge yeah

3352
02:33:10,820 --> 02:33:09,300
let's not push the edge I don't want to

3353
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:10,830
be the one that you know we don't want

3354
02:33:16,099 --> 02:33:12,240
to do that because that gets it to be

3355
02:33:16,910 --> 02:33:16,109
even crazier all right so let's just put

3356
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:16,920
this aside

3357
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:18,810
and would ask you a few questions about

3358
02:33:23,389 --> 02:33:21,210
the reaction to the film other than the

3359
02:33:26,260 --> 02:33:23,399
standard I liked it I didn't like it

3360
02:33:29,090 --> 02:33:26,270
that kind of thing did you get any

3361
02:33:30,500 --> 02:33:29,100
comments from people in Brown Mountain

3362
02:33:32,540 --> 02:33:30,510
or other people who had to report

3363
02:33:35,000 --> 02:33:32,550
something strange that they experienced

3364
02:33:39,530 --> 02:33:35,010
yeah I mean I would constantly get

3365
02:33:42,200 --> 02:33:39,540
reports I now on my website people

3366
02:33:45,139 --> 02:33:42,210
contact me just about daily with their

3367
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:45,149
own experiences and a couple of those

3368
02:33:48,830 --> 02:33:47,520
people I met locally up there actually

3369
02:33:51,380 --> 02:33:48,840
recorded and I'm gonna put those

3370
02:33:54,410 --> 02:33:51,390
interviews up I just throw them up on my

3371
02:33:56,780 --> 02:33:54,420
website so you guys can see them and the

3372
02:33:58,580 --> 02:33:56,790
interviews with the locals I decided to

3373
02:34:00,769 --> 02:33:58,590
put up in their entirety I posted all

3374
02:34:02,809 --> 02:34:00,779
those up as well now some constantly

3375
02:34:05,450 --> 02:34:02,819
getting stories in I think that's a

3376
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:05,460
really good idea a good approach it adds

3377
02:34:10,899 --> 02:34:07,770
to the gravitas and and the legitimacy

3378
02:34:13,399 --> 02:34:10,909
of the project definitely yeah the the

3379
02:34:16,460 --> 02:34:13,409
actual interviews of people is

3380
02:34:18,860 --> 02:34:16,470
compelling it really is what I see and

3381
02:34:21,290 --> 02:34:18,870
I'm gonna make a comment here is that

3382
02:34:24,889 --> 02:34:21,300
we've talked to people who do TV shows

3383
02:34:27,530 --> 02:34:24,899
and movie people before what impresses

3384
02:34:30,370 --> 02:34:27,540
me about you Maddie is that you did an

3385
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:30,380
intense amount of research about this

3386
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:33,120
that even without seeing the film in

3387
02:34:36,620 --> 02:34:34,560
preparing for it

3388
02:34:39,590 --> 02:34:36,630
you're showing an immense amount of

3389
02:34:41,090 --> 02:34:39,600
respect for your subject you know we see

3390
02:34:42,769 --> 02:34:41,100
that in a Hollywood movie they don't

3391
02:34:45,740 --> 02:34:42,779
really care so much about source

3392
02:34:49,519 --> 02:34:45,750
material but the fact is that you really

3393
02:34:51,559 --> 02:34:49,529
did research to see what happened how

3394
02:34:53,149 --> 02:34:51,569
people reacted to it learn about the

3395
02:34:55,880 --> 02:34:53,159
legends surrounding the Brown Mountain

3396
02:34:58,519 --> 02:34:55,890
lights understand it and I gather from

3397
02:35:00,439 --> 02:34:58,529
talking with you as someone who in the

3398
02:35:04,910 --> 02:35:00,449
past may not have been too concerned

3399
02:35:06,559 --> 02:35:04,920
about UFOs all this got you into it yeah

3400
02:35:09,320 --> 02:35:06,569
I mean you've said it absolutely

3401
02:35:12,530 --> 02:35:09,330
correctly I studied like crazy because I

3402
02:35:15,679 --> 02:35:12,540
felt an obligation to not not look down

3403
02:35:18,410 --> 02:35:15,689
on people who have legitimately

3404
02:35:22,820 --> 02:35:18,420
experienced these things I mean Who am I

3405
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:22,830
to judge them and say that you know your

3406
02:35:28,040 --> 02:35:24,810
experience is not real your experience

3407
02:35:30,650 --> 02:35:28,050
is not valid you know I you know I truly

3408
02:35:32,841 --> 02:35:30,660
try to keep the integrity

3409
02:35:35,320 --> 02:35:32,851
what we're doing in tact and it comes

3410
02:35:38,990 --> 02:35:35,330
down you know with making this film and

3411
02:35:41,930 --> 02:35:39,000
making sure that you know I tried to

3412
02:35:44,511 --> 02:35:41,940
stay as true to the nature of the real

3413
02:35:47,801 --> 02:35:44,521
stories as possible we're certainly

3414
02:35:49,730 --> 02:35:47,811
looking forward to progressing here and

3415
02:35:52,520 --> 02:35:49,740
watching this film and we'll give you

3416
02:35:53,390 --> 02:35:52,530
our unvarnished review about what we

3417
02:35:55,850 --> 02:35:53,400
think about it

3418
02:35:58,580 --> 02:35:55,860
so is this gonna be an instance here

3419
02:36:01,040 --> 02:35:58,590
where a year or two from now someone

3420
02:36:02,570 --> 02:36:01,050
from Marvel Studios will call you and

3421
02:36:04,341 --> 02:36:02,580
say Maddie you know we kind of like that

3422
02:36:08,270 --> 02:36:04,351
film would you like to do the next

3423
02:36:10,280 --> 02:36:08,280
franchise oh man a hundred forty million

3424
02:36:13,100 --> 02:36:10,290
dollars to start maybe two hundred forty

3425
02:36:14,631 --> 02:36:13,110
million dollars would you let me ask you

3426
02:36:18,140 --> 02:36:14,641
that as a filmmaker obviously we talked

3427
02:36:22,400 --> 02:36:18,150
about the dream and you're still a young

3428
02:36:24,591 --> 02:36:22,410
guy and that is would you want to tackle

3429
02:36:30,200 --> 02:36:24,601
that kind of job is it worth the

3430
02:36:34,220 --> 02:36:30,210
aggravation with the pressure I I would

3431
02:36:37,160 --> 02:36:34,230
love to do something like that who

3432
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:37,170
wouldn't that's like yeah really it

3433
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,610
definitely is a lot of pressure because

3434
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:41,040
there are you know so many people

3435
02:36:45,560 --> 02:36:43,530
relying on you and and and putting that

3436
02:36:48,830 --> 02:36:45,570
pressure on you you're making this

3437
02:36:51,140 --> 02:36:48,840
little movie my uncle once told me he

3438
02:36:55,160 --> 02:36:51,150
said it takes the same amount of energy

3439
02:36:57,591 --> 02:36:55,170
to do a project that cost $100 and a

3440
02:36:59,780 --> 02:36:57,601
million dollars you know it takes the

3441
02:37:02,060 --> 02:36:59,790
same amount of energy you put into it

3442
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:02,070
it doesn't really matter what the final

3443
02:37:08,360 --> 02:37:06,000
product is it still takes that same that

3444
02:37:11,780 --> 02:37:08,370
same drive in that same motivation so

3445
02:37:14,511 --> 02:37:11,790
you know tackling a project on my on

3446
02:37:18,710 --> 02:37:14,521
this level the sub million dollars was

3447
02:37:19,850 --> 02:37:18,720
actually harder than doing a hundred and

3448
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:19,860
fifty million dollar film

3449
02:37:24,740 --> 02:37:22,050
because you had to do more of the stuff

3450
02:37:26,210 --> 02:37:24,750
yourself hey Maddie Beckerman tell our

3451
02:37:28,910 --> 02:37:26,220
listeners where they can find out more

3452
02:37:32,091 --> 02:37:28,920
information about alien abduction and

3453
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:32,101
about you alien abduction film com

3454
02:37:38,511 --> 02:37:35,610
that's uh and my own website is Mattie

3455
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:38,521
Beckerman comm but alien abduction film

3456
02:37:43,131 --> 02:37:40,800
comm is where we have you know I put all

3457
02:37:43,950 --> 02:37:43,141
the videos up of interviews with the

3458
02:37:47,251 --> 02:37:43,960
locals

3459
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:47,261
the the the folksong on Brown mountains

3460
02:37:51,961 --> 02:37:49,690
the national Geographics

3461
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behind-the-scenes stuff of what they did

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actually study the real phenomena alien

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abduction film calm we've got a link to

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it over at the para cast I've come to

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alright you can find us on Twitter where

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we're known as the para cast we are the

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power cast on Twitter there is also a

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para cast fanclub on Facebook two of

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them and maybe someday we'll figure out

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how to make them one check our web

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portal the para cast comm for every

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single show this is 2006 Chris O'Brien's

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stalking the herd comm will let you in

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on all the details about his new book if

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you order from him he will autograph it

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for you

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and he keeps the profits even better so

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order from Chris you assigned a numbered

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absolutely Madi Beckerman thanks for

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joining us on the para cast thank you

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the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible

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